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Wow, Looker last week and now Tableau. I’m only 90 days in to running the open source equivalent inside GitLab, and these big revenue multiples are telling a fa

by dmor 7y ago

Wow, Looker last week and now Tableau. I’m only 90 days in to running the open source equivalent inside GitLab, and these big revenue multiples are telling a fascinating story. I would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall for this negotiation, what a great outcome for Tableau shareholders! With all that’s happening we’re definitely looking to pick up the pace, and would love to work with more contributors on the free open source alternative at Meltano (www.meltano.com) Edit: just wrote a quick post with some open questions I'd like to explore around this deal https://meltano.com/blog/2019/06/10/salesforce-is-acquiring-tableau-for-15-7b/ https://meltano.com/blog/2019/06/10/salesforce-is-acquiring-...

steve19 7y ago
What's the business model?
- dmor 7y ago
  Have not decided yet, but I’m leaning toward consulting services and possibly even marketplace. There are so many more independent analysts, data engineers, and other experts/specialists who could provide a service network beyond anything we could hire internally. It’s still very TBD while we get the product to a place where those opportunities start be more emergent. We definitely expect it to be an open core model though, similar to GitLab. By remaining self-hosted we avoid the big expense (and risk) of storing users data, and they can pick whatever cloud they want. Our team is 5 core members working at GitLab, and we have about a dozen contributors. So it’s kind of a startup within a late stage “startup” (unicorn).
jdreaver 7y ago
I just wanted to pop in and say Meltano looks awesome! Good luck with it.
victor106 7y ago
Exactly what we’ve been looking for. An open source ETL tool. This looks great. Will check it out for sure. Keep up the great work. I wonder if there are any other open source tools in this space?
- dmor 7y ago
  There are some great tools in this space, definitely worth exploring. Our vision is to glue the steps from ETL to dashboard together in an end-to-end solution. We pick whatever we consider best in class and integrate it. So far, we've got Singer, DBT, Jupyter Notebooks and Apache Airflow and we're using VueJS for both the product UI and our website. We're also working on a blog post exploration what other acquisition might happen in this space. We're adding suggestions to the spreadsheet as we hear them on Twitter, HN, etc https://meltano.com/blog/2019/06/10/first-looker-and-tableau-which-data-visualization-companies-are-likely-to-be-acquired-next/ https://meltano.com/blog/2019/06/10/first-looker-and-tableau...
  - swuecho 7y ago
    thanks for the product. I checked Singer, DBT, both of which are great idea and product. I build one very similar (conceptually) to DBT in my last data project. (I would not if I knew dbt is there). Airflow is too heavy weight for me, I use Scons to do the workflow management. meltano must do a lot of work to integrate all this together. I wonder what is the general user experience is. To me, seems too heavy weight.
    - dmor 7y ago
      Ideally, to abstract away complexity (which is what causes that “heavy” feeling)
- ken 7y ago
  Back when I was at a company that had frequent ETL needs, we tried a few, and eventually settled on Rhino ETL. It's not a pretty drag-n-drop tool like some of the others but it was simple and (therefore) worked really well.
- breck 7y ago
  I'm building one called Ohayo: https://github.com/breck7/ohayo https://github.com/breck7/ohayo It is still beta but should be ready to go in weeks. Here's an example of the top 100 stories on Hacker News: https://ohayo.computer?filename=help-for-hackernews.top.flow&yi=~&xi=_&data=hackernews.top_100~_hidden~_vega.scatter_Top_100_Stories_on_Hackernews~__xColumn_time~__yColumn_score~layout_column https://ohayo.computer?filename=help-for-hackernews.top.flow...
mariushn 7y ago
Feedback on your homepage, https://meltano.com/ https://meltano.com/ There's no single visual on it :( Please show what kind of results one can get with this product. Contrast with https://www.tableau.com/ https://www.tableau.com/, which has a sample graph and "See it in action" right at beginning.
- dmor 7y ago
  Thank you for the feedback, I've created an issue here: https://gitlab.com/meltano/meltano/issues/691 https://gitlab.com/meltano/meltano/issues/691 and we are working on it now In the meantime, one way to see more is to checkout our getting started guide: https://meltano.com/docs/quickstart.html https://meltano.com/docs/quickstart.html and also our YouTube channel which has weekly "Demo Day" videos sharing our progress: https://www.youtube.com/meltano https://www.youtube.com/meltano Really appreciate you taking a look at what we're up to!
- monkeydust 7y ago
  Also second this, product guy here who has been using Tableau for years. Curious about Meltano. Went through some of the site / installation guide / videos and then the gitlab issues log and then found myself back here :) Would like to see a few simple, visual stories about how one could derive business value from meltano, ideally real-life use-cases but if you dont have those yet just make them up.
  - dmor 7y ago
    Thank you for taking a look, you're right and we are working on it right now. This is perhaps a little more attention than we expected for our tiny 5 person project, and lights a great fire under us!
    - MR4D 7y ago
      Also, you may want to set up a Patreon page, or other crowd-funding site if you're making this all open source. There are companies that will pay for it just to have the alternative available to places like Tableau.
elwell 7y ago
> I would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall for this negotiation I'm not so sure, I'd probably be too worried about spiders to focus much.
simonebrunozzi 7y ago
Funny coincidence: I was reading about you in relation to Mattermark, then found your blog post on Meltano, and now I find your comment on HN. You're everywhere! :) Would it be possible to chat with you about your past experience at Mattermark? I am trying to answer a few questions (not related to the company, but related to VCs and investing). If so, my HN username @ gmail. Thanks!
- dmor 7y ago
  Of course! Dropping you a note now
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KorematsuFred 7y ago
The work you are doing at Meltano is simply brilliant. It needs to be done and if done well I have no doubt you will be very successful. I plan to use it.

by dmor 7y ago

steve19 7y ago

What's the business model?

dmor 7y ago
Have not decided yet, but I’m leaning toward consulting services and possibly even marketplace. There are so many more independent analysts, data engineers, and other experts/specialists who could provide a service network beyond anything we could hire internally. It’s still very TBD while we get the product to a place where those opportunities start be more emergent. We definitely expect it to be an open core model though, similar to GitLab. By remaining self-hosted we avoid the big expense (and risk) of storing users data, and they can pick whatever cloud they want. Our team is 5 core members working at GitLab, and we have about a dozen contributors. So it’s kind of a startup within a late stage “startup” (unicorn).

jdreaver 7y ago

I just wanted to pop in and say Meltano looks awesome! Good luck with it.

victor106 7y ago

Exactly what we’ve been looking for. An open source ETL tool. This looks great. Will check it out for sure. Keep up the great work. I wonder if there are any other open source tools in this space?

dmor 7y ago
There are some great tools in this space, definitely worth exploring. Our vision is to glue the steps from ETL to dashboard together in an end-to-end solution. We pick whatever we consider best in class and integrate it. So far, we've got Singer, DBT, Jupyter Notebooks and Apache Airflow and we're using VueJS for both the product UI and our website. We're also working on a blog post exploration what other acquisition might happen in this space. We're adding suggestions to the spreadsheet as we hear them on Twitter, HN, etc https://meltano.com/blog/2019/06/10/first-looker-and-tableau-which-data-visualization-companies-are-likely-to-be-acquired-next/ https://meltano.com/blog/2019/06/10/first-looker-and-tableau...
- swuecho 7y ago
  thanks for the product. I checked Singer, DBT, both of which are great idea and product. I build one very similar (conceptually) to DBT in my last data project. (I would not if I knew dbt is there). Airflow is too heavy weight for me, I use Scons to do the workflow management. meltano must do a lot of work to integrate all this together. I wonder what is the general user experience is. To me, seems too heavy weight.
  - dmor 7y ago
    Ideally, to abstract away complexity (which is what causes that “heavy” feeling)
ken 7y ago
Back when I was at a company that had frequent ETL needs, we tried a few, and eventually settled on Rhino ETL. It's not a pretty drag-n-drop tool like some of the others but it was simple and (therefore) worked really well.
breck 7y ago
I'm building one called Ohayo: https://github.com/breck7/ohayo https://github.com/breck7/ohayo It is still beta but should be ready to go in weeks. Here's an example of the top 100 stories on Hacker News: https://ohayo.computer?filename=help-for-hackernews.top.flow&yi=~&xi=_&data=hackernews.top_100~_hidden~_vega.scatter_Top_100_Stories_on_Hackernews~__xColumn_time~__yColumn_score~layout_column https://ohayo.computer?filename=help-for-hackernews.top.flow...

mariushn 7y ago

Feedback on your homepage, https://meltano.com/ https://meltano.com/ There's no single visual on it :( Please show what kind of results one can get with this product. Contrast with https://www.tableau.com/ https://www.tableau.com/, which has a sample graph and "See it in action" right at beginning.

dmor 7y ago
Thank you for the feedback, I've created an issue here: https://gitlab.com/meltano/meltano/issues/691 https://gitlab.com/meltano/meltano/issues/691 and we are working on it now In the meantime, one way to see more is to checkout our getting started guide: https://meltano.com/docs/quickstart.html https://meltano.com/docs/quickstart.html and also our YouTube channel which has weekly "Demo Day" videos sharing our progress: https://www.youtube.com/meltano https://www.youtube.com/meltano Really appreciate you taking a look at what we're up to!
monkeydust 7y ago
Also second this, product guy here who has been using Tableau for years. Curious about Meltano. Went through some of the site / installation guide / videos and then the gitlab issues log and then found myself back here :) Would like to see a few simple, visual stories about how one could derive business value from meltano, ideally real-life use-cases but if you dont have those yet just make them up.
- dmor 7y ago
  Thank you for taking a look, you're right and we are working on it right now. This is perhaps a little more attention than we expected for our tiny 5 person project, and lights a great fire under us!
  - MR4D 7y ago
    Also, you may want to set up a Patreon page, or other crowd-funding site if you're making this all open source. There are companies that will pay for it just to have the alternative available to places like Tableau.

elwell 7y ago

> I would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall for this negotiation I'm not so sure, I'd probably be too worried about spiders to focus much.

simonebrunozzi 7y ago

Funny coincidence: I was reading about you in relation to Mattermark, then found your blog post on Meltano, and now I find your comment on HN. You're everywhere! :) Would it be possible to chat with you about your past experience at Mattermark? I am trying to answer a few questions (not related to the company, but related to VCs and investing). If so, my HN username @ gmail. Thanks!

dmor 7y ago
Of course! Dropping you a note now

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KorematsuFred 7y ago

The work you are doing at Meltano is simply brilliant. It needs to be done and if done well I have no doubt you will be very successful. I plan to use it.