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you would not just save 90k people. there is a chance of killing all human life with climate change. any size risk in this area is too big of a risk.

by ptah 7y ago

Fjolsvith 7y ago
Ah, the "mammals survived the dinosaurs, so the cockroaches will survive the mammals" conjecture. Probably won't happen these next 30 years.
- ptah 7y ago
  no conjecture needed: there is definitely a risk of catastrophic climate change. the conjecture is:"what is money worth to us if we are all dead"
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    Life is a risk. I strongly feel opposite to you, that everyone is going to die from a (slim risk of) catastrophic climate change. Because, as I see it, our efforts at renewable growth will compound over time. It's not like just because the US pulled out of the Paris climate accord that all of a sudden the coal industry will take over US power production. The opposite seems to be happening [1]. This hand wringing seems alarmist to me. 1. https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/energy/whats-driving-the-decline-of-coal-in-the-united-states/ https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/energy/whats-driving...
    - dublin 7y ago
      The hand-wringing is alarmist, and deliberately so. Mostly because Carbon Dioxide is simply not a pollutant. There, I said what you cannot say here. (Notice how the "solution" to these "crisis" problems always requires giving governments ever more expansive power and control. This is by far the most likely path to bloody tyrannies that makes those of the 20th century look like a warmup.)
      - ptah 7y ago
        it is definitely a pollutant:"A pollutant is a substance or energy introduced into the environment that has undesired effects" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollutant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollutant
    - ptah 7y ago
      risk for the individual is acceptable, and also preferred as it keeps the group strong in the long run. risks to the whole group should be avoided at all costs
      - Fjolsvith 7y ago
        Within 30 years, the whole group will no longer be in the same basket.

you would not just save 90k people. there is a chance of killing all human life with climate change. any size risk in this area is too big of a risk.

by ptah 7y ago

you would not just save 90k people. there is a chance of killing all human life with climate change. any size risk in this area is too big of a risk.

Fjolsvith 7y ago

Ah, the "mammals survived the dinosaurs, so the cockroaches will survive the mammals" conjecture. Probably won't happen these next 30 years.

ptah 7y ago
no conjecture needed: there is definitely a risk of catastrophic climate change. the conjecture is:"what is money worth to us if we are all dead"
- Fjolsvith 7y ago
  Life is a risk. I strongly feel opposite to you, that everyone is going to die from a (slim risk of) catastrophic climate change. Because, as I see it, our efforts at renewable growth will compound over time. It's not like just because the US pulled out of the Paris climate accord that all of a sudden the coal industry will take over US power production. The opposite seems to be happening [1]. This hand wringing seems alarmist to me. 1. https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/energy/whats-driving-the-decline-of-coal-in-the-united-states/ https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/energy/whats-driving...
  - dublin 7y ago
    The hand-wringing is alarmist, and deliberately so. Mostly because Carbon Dioxide is simply not a pollutant. There, I said what you cannot say here. (Notice how the "solution" to these "crisis" problems always requires giving governments ever more expansive power and control. This is by far the most likely path to bloody tyrannies that makes those of the 20th century look like a warmup.)
    - ptah 7y ago
      it is definitely a pollutant:"A pollutant is a substance or energy introduced into the environment that has undesired effects" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollutant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollutant
  - ptah 7y ago
    risk for the individual is acceptable, and also preferred as it keeps the group strong in the long run. risks to the whole group should be avoided at all costs
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      Within 30 years, the whole group will no longer be in the same basket.