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You're saying that OPs perspective is wrong? Because that was the implicit perception in my friend and familial circle. Between friends, cousins and siblings, t
by macspoofing 7y ago
You're saying that OPs perspective is wrong? Because that was the implicit perception in my friend and familial circle. Between friends, cousins and siblings, the boys were by and large fuck-ups and girls were responsible. Almost every girl I knew went to university, whereas (maybe) half the boys did. Most in my circle did well in life, but the ones that didn't were guys.
Things just aren't that simple, and there is tendency of only highlighting these 'microaggressions' suffered by young girls. I don't dismiss that it happens, but growing up sucks for everybody and these indignities are suffered by everyone. And it doesn't end with school, when I started working I went out to some trade-shows as a technical resources with a young (under-30) sales guy. We got no respect from the 50+ year old gray beards in our industry. As in, we, and especially him, got overtly disrespected because of our inexperience and youth. And when you're young, you always feel like you're behind (because you are), and you're desperately trying to push forward and gain recognition, respect and acceptance and you really feel the small daily indignities, from the meeting you weren't invited to, to project you aren't on, to your ideas being ignored (not even dismissed, just ignored), to simply not getting the credibility or respect or recognition you feel you deserve.
- watwut 7y agoNo, I am saying that the stereotype he detected really exists and somehow happily coexist with other stereotypes. That the stereotypes when combined into one person become inconsistent. Personally I knew plenty of boys that were not fuckups. I know also boys who are fuckups or went through periods where they as kids were troubles, but I know also plenty of perfectly fine boys.
- macspoofing 7y ago>I am saying that the stereotype he detected really exists and somehow happily coexist with other stereotypes. Of course each of us has to deal with a plethora of cultural influences and pressures, but in this case you're just asserting things and maybe gaslighting a little. Someone shared an anecdote that counteracts your assertion and you go and post hoc fit your conclusion by claiming there are in fact other secret stereotypes that must be there as well. Maybe they aren't there. >Personally I knew plenty of boys that were not fuckups. So do I. In my case, however, all the fuckups I know are boys. All of them. I don't know what that anecdote says, but it says something.
- watwut 7y agoOP wrote: "Strange, when I was a kid adults had the opposite attitude towards us. Boys were considered inherently mischievous, prone to cheating or making shortcuts, and always up to no good, while girls were considered rule-abiding, smart and hard-working." Me posting first time: these stereotypes coexist. You: You are opposing him and gasslighting. Also, he contradicted you. Me now: wtf. Also, he could not contradict my assertion, because I joined only after him and made no assertion before.
- macspoofing 7y agoI understand what you were trying to say. Have you considered that maybe the other stereotypes did not coexist or were not influential? That's what I'm saying.
- ulisesrmzroche 7y agoIt says something about tunnel-vission and horse blinders and so on.
- macspoofing 7y agoOn my part? Yeah. Could be.
- ulisesrmzroche 7y agoSo then? You see the mistake and keep the same view?
- macspoofing 7y agoIt isn't really about holding or not holding any specific view. I shared my personal experience. I admit the possibility that all kinds of biases could be coloring my perspective. But it is what it is.