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Remove China from the numbers and Pinker and Goslings points pretty much disappear. Both aren’t a secret, they are well known and criticized a lot for their use

Remove China from the numbers and Pinker and Goslings points pretty much disappear. Both aren’t a secret, they are well known and criticized a lot for their use and abuse of numbers.

oblio 7y ago
I'm pretty sure India also has a positive outlook. And if we remove those countries we're removing half the world's population...
- AstralStorm 7y ago
  The point is that developed world has stalled. Which is probably true on some measures but we do not know why. There should be slower but incremental improvement as there is room for that still. A plenty of room in fact. Life expectancy is still gaining though and flattening. That is the main variable encompassing almost everything. Including normalized per income is flattening. Income per capita has flattened somewhat, but it might be a natural sigmoid the China, Russia and such have yet to reach. So that's about it.
  - HeadsUpHigh 7y ago
    >Life expectancy is still gaining though and flattening. That is the main variable encompassing almost everything. There are big breakthroughs coming on this front. Look up the work of David Sinclair, aging is a tough nut to crack but not impossible.
- zasz 7y ago
  Child malnutrition rates in India are worse than in some parts of sub-Saharan Africa, actually: https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/malnutrition-in-india-worse-than-sub-saharan-africa-731071.html https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/mal... Impressive GDP growth aside, persistent malnutrition suggests that for huge chunks of the Indian population (a shocking _seventy_ percent of women are anemic), something's not working. Who cares what GDP growth is? What's it really measuring if people still aren't getting enough to eat?
  - dfrage 7y ago
    The number of calories lower class Indians are consuming is dropping, which your link has got to in part be reflecting. It's a mess.
peteforde 7y ago
Except, wait... tell us why we'd remove China (or any other part of the world that seems less important to you) again?

Remove China from the numbers and Pinker and Goslings points pretty much disappear. Both aren’t a secret, they are well known and criticized a lot for their use and abuse of numbers.

oblio 7y ago

I'm pretty sure India also has a positive outlook. And if we remove those countries we're removing half the world's population...

AstralStorm 7y ago
The point is that developed world has stalled. Which is probably true on some measures but we do not know why. There should be slower but incremental improvement as there is room for that still. A plenty of room in fact. Life expectancy is still gaining though and flattening. That is the main variable encompassing almost everything. Including normalized per income is flattening. Income per capita has flattened somewhat, but it might be a natural sigmoid the China, Russia and such have yet to reach. So that's about it.
- HeadsUpHigh 7y ago
  >Life expectancy is still gaining though and flattening. That is the main variable encompassing almost everything. There are big breakthroughs coming on this front. Look up the work of David Sinclair, aging is a tough nut to crack but not impossible.
zasz 7y ago
Child malnutrition rates in India are worse than in some parts of sub-Saharan Africa, actually: https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/malnutrition-in-india-worse-than-sub-saharan-africa-731071.html https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/mal... Impressive GDP growth aside, persistent malnutrition suggests that for huge chunks of the Indian population (a shocking _seventy_ percent of women are anemic), something's not working. Who cares what GDP growth is? What's it really measuring if people still aren't getting enough to eat?
- dfrage 7y ago
  The number of calories lower class Indians are consuming is dropping, which your link has got to in part be reflecting. It's a mess.

peteforde 7y ago

Except, wait... tell us why we'd remove China (or any other part of the world that seems less important to you) again?