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"javascript frontends are the great for programmer fights, but thankfully most of the web doesnt use them" Wait what? Have you like, been on the web at all? Ho

"javascript frontends are the great for programmer fights, but thankfully most of the web doesnt use them" Wait what? Have you like, been on the web at all? How the hell are javascript frontends not used everywhere?!

oxfordmale 7y ago
"AWS isn't critical either, its bubbled because of easy startup money and lazyness. will be a good thing to see it fade away" Wait what ? Have you, been on the web at all ? Ten thousands of websites are hosted, or partially hosted on AWS
- scottlocklin 7y ago
  >Ten thousands of websites are hosted, or partially hosted on AWS Who cares? There is no reason for it to exist, and it's continued existence is arguably what OP said; that and the abject laziness of CFO types.
  - theamk 7y ago
    Sure there is -- I use it for my personal projects (so no CFO's), for example for email sending and object storage. Sure, your own server is fine when you have unlimited time; but once you want to save time (CFO: to pay less salary; personal: to have more time in life for other things), AWS makes a great deal of sense.
buboard 7y ago
they do have a lot of usage but barely everywhere. remember most of the web is wordpress.
- ts0000 7y ago
  I believe WordPress, at least the admin interface, is essentially an SPA.
- oxfordmale 7y ago
  Yes, that is true, but most WordPress sites are hosted on a cloud provider.
tannhaeuser 7y ago
Half the workforce in webdev has an average work experience of 5 years or less which leads to self-sustaining generational churn in this area, and a whole industry of bootcamps and fizzbuzz-style questions handed out to employers and webdevs alike. Being hellbent to deliver webapps regardless of fit is no progress, and will hit a wall as customers and regulators demand power efficiency.
- oblio 7y ago
  > and will hit a wall as customers and regulators demand power efficiency. Sorry, but LOL. That's so low on any regulator's agenda that it wouldn't make it even as a campaign point if we were to elect a "president of IT", let alone a real-world senator or mayor or president.
  - tannhaeuser 7y ago
    Ok it might not be yet, but things are changing rapidly. In Germany, established parties are running scared right now over loosing first-voters, and push for significant change. Imagine a little icon or traffic sign or so we put on websites informing users about independently measured power effiency. Could work with privacy and network footprint as well. Hell, maybe I should put up a competition for graphic artists to design such a thing, with a 1k USD/EUR prize.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      Are you saying there's no feedback in the sense that a website that consumes more resources costs more to the owner? I would have thought there is.
      - tannhaeuser 7y ago
        I'm afraid I've not completely understood. I was talking about the power consumption for the users of the site/webapp rather than the power necessary for running web servers. But that would indeed be another important measure (and I believe power density is certainly on the radar of data center equipment buyers, but not framework users and most developers yet).
tenebrisalietum 7y ago
I think what was meant is that phone apps are taking over. These use the web but not Javascript.

oxfordmale 7y ago

"AWS isn't critical either, its bubbled because of easy startup money and lazyness. will be a good thing to see it fade away" Wait what ? Have you, been on the web at all ? Ten thousands of websites are hosted, or partially hosted on AWS

scottlocklin 7y ago
>Ten thousands of websites are hosted, or partially hosted on AWS Who cares? There is no reason for it to exist, and it's continued existence is arguably what OP said; that and the abject laziness of CFO types.
- theamk 7y ago
  Sure there is -- I use it for my personal projects (so no CFO's), for example for email sending and object storage. Sure, your own server is fine when you have unlimited time; but once you want to save time (CFO: to pay less salary; personal: to have more time in life for other things), AWS makes a great deal of sense.

buboard 7y ago

they do have a lot of usage but barely everywhere. remember most of the web is wordpress.

ts0000 7y ago
I believe WordPress, at least the admin interface, is essentially an SPA.
oxfordmale 7y ago
Yes, that is true, but most WordPress sites are hosted on a cloud provider.

tannhaeuser 7y ago

Half the workforce in webdev has an average work experience of 5 years or less which leads to self-sustaining generational churn in this area, and a whole industry of bootcamps and fizzbuzz-style questions handed out to employers and webdevs alike. Being hellbent to deliver webapps regardless of fit is no progress, and will hit a wall as customers and regulators demand power efficiency.

oblio 7y ago
> and will hit a wall as customers and regulators demand power efficiency. Sorry, but LOL. That's so low on any regulator's agenda that it wouldn't make it even as a campaign point if we were to elect a "president of IT", let alone a real-world senator or mayor or president.
- tannhaeuser 7y ago
  Ok it might not be yet, but things are changing rapidly. In Germany, established parties are running scared right now over loosing first-voters, and push for significant change. Imagine a little icon or traffic sign or so we put on websites informing users about independently measured power effiency. Could work with privacy and network footprint as well. Hell, maybe I should put up a competition for graphic artists to design such a thing, with a 1k USD/EUR prize.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Are you saying there's no feedback in the sense that a website that consumes more resources costs more to the owner? I would have thought there is.
    - tannhaeuser 7y ago
      I'm afraid I've not completely understood. I was talking about the power consumption for the users of the site/webapp rather than the power necessary for running web servers. But that would indeed be another important measure (and I believe power density is certainly on the radar of data center equipment buyers, but not framework users and most developers yet).

tenebrisalietum 7y ago

I think what was meant is that phone apps are taking over. These use the web but not Javascript.