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I like how you paint all the companies from a single country with such a wide brush! You are very wrong - A few Israeli startups that have made revolutionary pr

I like how you paint all the companies from a single country with such a wide brush! You are very wrong - A few Israeli startups that have made revolutionary products, off the top of my head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobileye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobileye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viber Oh and Apple, Microsoft, Intel, IBM, Motorola, and Google have offices there - so perhaps there is some tech talent there? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Wadi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Wadi)

onyva 7y ago
Talking about hardware. Though even based on the software products mentioned here, why Israel a startup nation? There are other countries other than USA, that had success with more products and far less hype. Again, from usability and design perspective, internal market, Israel’s infrastructure is very backward. Universities, banks, governments ... everything was developed by one company, a contractor of Microsoft Israel called Matrix, and it looks as bad as it sounds.
- King-Aaron 7y ago
  It feels like you just have a bone to pick with Israel?
  - akras14 7y ago
    He is clearly not a fan, just look through his comment history.
    - eecc 7y ago
      Quite a few are interesting and even insightful...
    - sahinabi 7y ago
      just looked at the first 5 pages - couldn't find anything that supports your claim though.
- krembo 7y ago
  Israeli here, this is very far from being true.
- krembo 7y ago
  On top of my head only from HW perspective, one of biggest Intel microprocessors R&D centers is located in Haifa IL (recently leading the Ice Lake - Core i9) and manufacturing center in Kiryat Gat. Intel also acquired MobileEye for their autonomous cars technology. Apple had a few acquisitions in the recent years such as Primesense (the inventors of MS XBOX Kinect sensors), KLA acquired Orbotech, IBM acquired Trusteer and so on. Moving this thread to SW will make it blast. Either way, the contributions of such a small country to the tech world is not proportional.
  - onyva 7y ago
    USA corporations like IBM, Microsoft, Google and Intel buy and invest all over the world. In Israel Microsoft’s investment was used (as well) to stop the government (ministry of education) to drop any interest in open source and free software. So it’s a mixed bag. I’m specifically talking about bringing products to market. There are non. And “looking at my comments history” to not-a-patriot shame me is soooo Israeli... I tell it like it is. Again, what’s was Israel’s big product brought to market after Epilady? What about Indians stuffing (unprofessionally) IT jobs all over the world, including Israel btw, ... at least until they brought cheap Russian labor as part of Shamir’s demographics re-engineering of Israel to produce a “Jewish” majority with (at least) 30% non-Jewish Russians... but that’s another story and yet another myth needs busting.
    - onyva 7y ago
      Forgot to mention how often Intel threatened to close shop if it want get the tax exemptions it insisted on. So, let's be honest, there's hardly anything special about this pattern of corporate investment and outsourcing of development.
  - eli_gottlieb 7y ago
    Still, the country is terrible at turning successful startups into big, stable firms.
ggg2 7y ago
your list just confirmed the points you replied to.

onyva 7y ago

Talking about hardware. Though even based on the software products mentioned here, why Israel a startup nation? There are other countries other than USA, that had success with more products and far less hype. Again, from usability and design perspective, internal market, Israel’s infrastructure is very backward. Universities, banks, governments ... everything was developed by one company, a contractor of Microsoft Israel called Matrix, and it looks as bad as it sounds.

King-Aaron 7y ago
It feels like you just have a bone to pick with Israel?
- akras14 7y ago
  He is clearly not a fan, just look through his comment history.
  - eecc 7y ago
    Quite a few are interesting and even insightful...
  - sahinabi 7y ago
    just looked at the first 5 pages - couldn't find anything that supports your claim though.
krembo 7y ago
Israeli here, this is very far from being true.
krembo 7y ago
On top of my head only from HW perspective, one of biggest Intel microprocessors R&D centers is located in Haifa IL (recently leading the Ice Lake - Core i9) and manufacturing center in Kiryat Gat. Intel also acquired MobileEye for their autonomous cars technology. Apple had a few acquisitions in the recent years such as Primesense (the inventors of MS XBOX Kinect sensors), KLA acquired Orbotech, IBM acquired Trusteer and so on. Moving this thread to SW will make it blast. Either way, the contributions of such a small country to the tech world is not proportional.
- onyva 7y ago
  USA corporations like IBM, Microsoft, Google and Intel buy and invest all over the world. In Israel Microsoft’s investment was used (as well) to stop the government (ministry of education) to drop any interest in open source and free software. So it’s a mixed bag. I’m specifically talking about bringing products to market. There are non. And “looking at my comments history” to not-a-patriot shame me is soooo Israeli... I tell it like it is. Again, what’s was Israel’s big product brought to market after Epilady? What about Indians stuffing (unprofessionally) IT jobs all over the world, including Israel btw, ... at least until they brought cheap Russian labor as part of Shamir’s demographics re-engineering of Israel to produce a “Jewish” majority with (at least) 30% non-Jewish Russians... but that’s another story and yet another myth needs busting.
  - onyva 7y ago
    Forgot to mention how often Intel threatened to close shop if it want get the tax exemptions it insisted on. So, let's be honest, there's hardly anything special about this pattern of corporate investment and outsourcing of development.
- eli_gottlieb 7y ago
  Still, the country is terrible at turning successful startups into big, stable firms.

ggg2 7y ago

your list just confirmed the points you replied to.