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Yes, I can easily get a computer for 4K that rivals a Mac Pro. I think like 4 years ago my employer let me spec out the computer I bought for 4K and I built a 2

Yes, I can easily get a computer for 4K that rivals a Mac Pro. I think like 4 years ago my employer let me spec out the computer I bought for 4K and I built a 20 core Xeon monstrosity with 32gb of ram, 3 monitors, and like a $700 Nvidia card. 4 years ago! If apple was listening to their customers they’d offer a customisable desktop tower in the 2-5k range people are willing to pay. As much as I like the iMacs display I’m using it with a Wacom cintiq so having a built in screen is a waste for me. I just want a computer that can be opened and upgraded, runs macOS, and doesn’t require a loan.

scarface74 7y ago
Including the monitor? But $1000 cheaper is a far cry from “$8000 cheaper”. You don’t have to buy the monitor by the way....
- overgard 7y ago
  I have a 4K (resolution) monitor that cost me about $400. It’s less fancy than a 6k (resolution) monitor but I’m also paying about a tenth the price sooo. Yeah. Let’s say 2 nice 4K monitors and a $3200 tower. That can easily compete with a 6000 dollar tower with a 6000 dollar monitor from apple, and I’m spending 4000 dollars instead of 12000. What exactly am I getting for that extra 8000 to make it worthwhile?
  - scarface74 7y ago
    If all you need is the 4K monitor than the 6K monitor is not for you and you could use the same 4K monitor with the Mac Pro. Heck you could get the 5K LG monitor for $1200 and save $3800 dollars. Nothing is forcing you to buy the 6K monitor if you don’t need it. Isn’t that the whole purpose of buying the Mac Pro over the iMac Pro that you can mix and match based on your needs?
    - overgard 7y ago
      Yes nobody is forcing me to buy it. My point with the 6k monitor is just to show how wacky apples pricing is. For reference I also have a 5k monitor, and next to the 4K the improvement is marginal/almost imperceptible. I also have a $2500 art tablet, which is a 4K touchscreen with highly accurate color reproduction and a very sophisticated drawing pen — ie an actual professional tool. This computer and monitor apple is selling seems like a gimmick for absurdly rich people.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        If Apple's pricing is "wacky" for the specs of the 6K monitor, you should be able to find an equivalenty specced monitor cheaper.....
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Have you taken a look at the display? It's very good. Calling it a "6K monitor" is doing it an injustice.
imagetic 7y ago
If they had done an 8-core i9'ish option with 64gb of RAM and an RTX card equivalent for $3500...I would hit the speed dial to my Apple sales rep.
- scarface74 7y ago
  The Core I9 versus the workstation class processors wouldn’t use the same motherboard. It’s not just a configurable option. I understand the desire for such an option. But that wasn’t the market they we’re designing for.
  - imagetic 7y ago
    This is true, it's a hard comparison / wish because it's actually a different motherboard. But if Apple wants something, they can typically figure out how to get it. Based on my years working in media, there is a much larger market for a well priced mid-range Mac Pro than the "you're only a pro if you can afford it" level workstation.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      A lot of posters here are saying that the software is available on Windows so it is an alternative. But, the automation story is much better on the Mac. There are a lot of professionals who will demand a Mac. Companies are not going to skimp on hardware to save a couple of grand. They will grit their teethe and by an iMac Pro or a Mac Pro. The submission is about “Apple listening” while that’s one guy’s opinion, Apple told the press that they have an entire internal team of real professional media creators they worked with while designing the Mac Pro. Does anyone really think that Apple spent the last two years designing the Mac Pro without getting feedback of potential customers and didn’t design it to get the market they wanted? The same could be said about the iMac Pro. Sure it’s nice to have other developers, but between web developers who prefer the Mac and could care less about a modular Mac and iOS developers who must buy a Mac, if Apple loses the other few - so be it in Apples eyes. The entire desktop market is a small niche (as opposed to laptops). If Apple developer the perfect mid range expandable Mac it wouldn’t make a meaningful difference to their revenue or ecosystem.

scarface74 7y ago

Including the monitor? But $1000 cheaper is a far cry from “$8000 cheaper”. You don’t have to buy the monitor by the way....

overgard 7y ago
I have a 4K (resolution) monitor that cost me about $400. It’s less fancy than a 6k (resolution) monitor but I’m also paying about a tenth the price sooo. Yeah. Let’s say 2 nice 4K monitors and a $3200 tower. That can easily compete with a 6000 dollar tower with a 6000 dollar monitor from apple, and I’m spending 4000 dollars instead of 12000. What exactly am I getting for that extra 8000 to make it worthwhile?
- scarface74 7y ago
  If all you need is the 4K monitor than the 6K monitor is not for you and you could use the same 4K monitor with the Mac Pro. Heck you could get the 5K LG monitor for $1200 and save $3800 dollars. Nothing is forcing you to buy the 6K monitor if you don’t need it. Isn’t that the whole purpose of buying the Mac Pro over the iMac Pro that you can mix and match based on your needs?
  - overgard 7y ago
    Yes nobody is forcing me to buy it. My point with the 6k monitor is just to show how wacky apples pricing is. For reference I also have a 5k monitor, and next to the 4K the improvement is marginal/almost imperceptible. I also have a $2500 art tablet, which is a 4K touchscreen with highly accurate color reproduction and a very sophisticated drawing pen — ie an actual professional tool. This computer and monitor apple is selling seems like a gimmick for absurdly rich people.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      If Apple's pricing is "wacky" for the specs of the 6K monitor, you should be able to find an equivalenty specced monitor cheaper.....
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Have you taken a look at the display? It's very good. Calling it a "6K monitor" is doing it an injustice.

imagetic 7y ago

If they had done an 8-core i9'ish option with 64gb of RAM and an RTX card equivalent for $3500...I would hit the speed dial to my Apple sales rep.

scarface74 7y ago
The Core I9 versus the workstation class processors wouldn’t use the same motherboard. It’s not just a configurable option. I understand the desire for such an option. But that wasn’t the market they we’re designing for.
- imagetic 7y ago
  This is true, it's a hard comparison / wish because it's actually a different motherboard. But if Apple wants something, they can typically figure out how to get it. Based on my years working in media, there is a much larger market for a well priced mid-range Mac Pro than the "you're only a pro if you can afford it" level workstation.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    A lot of posters here are saying that the software is available on Windows so it is an alternative. But, the automation story is much better on the Mac. There are a lot of professionals who will demand a Mac. Companies are not going to skimp on hardware to save a couple of grand. They will grit their teethe and by an iMac Pro or a Mac Pro. The submission is about “Apple listening” while that’s one guy’s opinion, Apple told the press that they have an entire internal team of real professional media creators they worked with while designing the Mac Pro. Does anyone really think that Apple spent the last two years designing the Mac Pro without getting feedback of potential customers and didn’t design it to get the market they wanted? The same could be said about the iMac Pro. Sure it’s nice to have other developers, but between web developers who prefer the Mac and could care less about a modular Mac and iOS developers who must buy a Mac, if Apple loses the other few - so be it in Apples eyes. The entire desktop market is a small niche (as opposed to laptops). If Apple developer the perfect mid range expandable Mac it wouldn’t make a meaningful difference to their revenue or ecosystem.