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They talk briefly about housing at the end, but that strikes me as absolutely core to the success of any initiative to decrease congestion. People tolerate abs
by dasil003 7y ago
They talk briefly about housing at the end, but that strikes me as absolutely core to the success of any initiative to decrease congestion. People tolerate absurd commutes because the jobs are better here, increasing transportation bandwidth in isolation will just increase the distance people are willing to travel. Only solution is either more housing here or better jobs elsewhere, and we can't control the latter.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> increasing transportation bandwidth in isolation will just increase the distance people are willing to travel We need more housing. But better transportation alone would spread the problem out and alleviate some of its worst symptoms, e.g. congestion.
- acpetrov 7y agoBay area traffic would see a decent improvement just by using more left turn yields at traffic lights
- phkahler 7y ago>> They talk briefly about housing at the end, but that strikes me as absolutely core to the success of any initiative to decrease congestion. Public transportation only works to connect high density areas. It's critical to take that into account or systems will fail.
- Retric 7y agoDensity can be deceptive. Medium-density housing works just fine at one end of a public transit system, the critical issue is how often transit stops and how often people need to swap from one mode of transit or train to the next.
- bobthepanda 7y agoIt also works to transport people in narrow corridors across geographic barriers. Like the Bay itself, or the fact that both sides of the Bay are long and narrow.
- kenneth 7y agoActually I think tying anything housing related to the measure is a great way to ensure it'll be a total clusterfuck. There's way too much disagreement on the matter, and any spending on it quickly devolves into an endless money pit. Not that that's not the case with transit in CA anyways given the national embarrassment that is the high-speed rail project. But having two massive issue like that in the measure is going to make it exponentially more likely to be a disaster.
- kelnos 7y agoAbsolutely agree. Housing is a related, but separate, problem that should be handled directly with its own plan.
- DataWorker 7y agoThe lack of housing here could be taken as a sign that moving here or locating a business here could cost more by way of taxes and such. If it did cost more the flow of people and debt into the area might slow and some of the good jobs here would go elsewhere.
- bobthepanda 7y agoMore housing doesn't really solve the problem, because people don't necessarily even want to live next to where they work, and in a household with multiple workers everyone living near where they work is almost an impossibility. Tokyo has lots of housing and jobs everywhere, but that mostly results in average one-way commute time of an hour.