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This article has a nice infographic: https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographics/news/hong-kong/article/3013512/hong-kong-extradition/index.html?src=app https://mu

by yskchu 7y ago

This article has a nice infographic: https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographics/news/hong-kong/article/3013512/hong-kong-extradition/index.html?src=app https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographics/news/hong-kong/arti... Basically Hong Kong right now, has a whole bunch of extradition treaties with 20 countries[1], just not with both China governments, due to the existing law. The bill fixes this. Also, the 19 year old HK man admitted to the crime [2], however due to the the crime being committed outside HK, he can't be tried for manslaughter in HK; the HK authorities can only charge him with "money laundering" of his girlfriend's money and property (again [2]). He is currently serving the sentence for money laundering, and he's going to be released in October. However if this bill is passed he can be extradited and tried for murder in Taiwan. [1] With Australia, Britain, Canada, the Czech Republic, France, Finland, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Malaysia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the Philippines, Portugal, South Korea, Singapore, South Africa, Sri Lanka and the United States [2] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3008099/sentence-man-who-killed-girlfriend-taiwan-sets https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30...

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> if this bill is passed he can be extradited and tried for murder in Taiwan Except Taiwan isn’t China. If Taiwan and Hong Kong want an extradition treaty, they can sign one. This bill is to enable the lawful extradition of dissenters. (Beijing tried doing it surreptitiously [1]; that backfired.) [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/08/hong-kong-bookseller-abducted-by-china-vows-to-reopen-shop-in-taiwan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/08/hong-kong-book...
- ufo 7y ago
  > Except Taiwan isn’t China In practice it isn't, but on paper it is, both according to the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China. (One-China Policy)
isaaafc 7y ago
> However if this bill is passed he can be extradited and tried for murder in Taiwan. Taiwan clearly stated that they wouldn't extradite the man under this bill. This is the exact lie the government has been telling to mislead people who don't follow the news.
- yskchu 7y ago
  It's not a lie, Taiwan was clearly supporting extraditing him in Feb[1], though there seems to be some concern now[2] [1] http://www.ejinsight.com/20190213-govt-proposes-revising-extradition-law-amid-taiwan-murder-case/ http://www.ejinsight.com/20190213-govt-proposes-revising-ext... "Taiwanese authorities had asked their counterparts in Hong Kong multiple times to extradite Chan for a court trial, but that has not happened due to restrictions from Hong Kong law." http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201902130023.aspx http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201902130023.aspx "Tsai Chiu-ming (蔡秋明), head of the Department of International and Cross-Strait Legal Affairs under the Ministry of Justice, said Taiwan welcomes closer cooperation with other jurisdictions to combat cross-border crime, and he is glad to see Hong Kong's planned legislation." [2] "Taipei will not agree to transfer of Hong Kong murder suspect if Taiwanese citizens risk being sent to mainland China" https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3009506/hong-kong-leader-carrie-lam-accuses-opponents-talking-trash https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3009506...
  - isaaafc 7y ago
    They wanted the suspect on trial for sure, but not under this law, as stated in your third source. Even Carrie Lam herself admitted this in the press meeting just now.

by yskchu 7y ago

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> if this bill is passed he can be extradited and tried for murder in Taiwan Except Taiwan isn’t China. If Taiwan and Hong Kong want an extradition treaty, they can sign one. This bill is to enable the lawful extradition of dissenters. (Beijing tried doing it surreptitiously [1]; that backfired.) [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/08/hong-kong-bookseller-abducted-by-china-vows-to-reopen-shop-in-taiwan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/08/hong-kong-book...

ufo 7y ago
> Except Taiwan isn’t China In practice it isn't, but on paper it is, both according to the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China. (One-China Policy)

isaaafc 7y ago

> However if this bill is passed he can be extradited and tried for murder in Taiwan. Taiwan clearly stated that they wouldn't extradite the man under this bill. This is the exact lie the government has been telling to mislead people who don't follow the news.

yskchu 7y ago
It's not a lie, Taiwan was clearly supporting extraditing him in Feb[1], though there seems to be some concern now[2] [1] http://www.ejinsight.com/20190213-govt-proposes-revising-extradition-law-amid-taiwan-murder-case/ http://www.ejinsight.com/20190213-govt-proposes-revising-ext... "Taiwanese authorities had asked their counterparts in Hong Kong multiple times to extradite Chan for a court trial, but that has not happened due to restrictions from Hong Kong law." http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201902130023.aspx http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201902130023.aspx "Tsai Chiu-ming (蔡秋明), head of the Department of International and Cross-Strait Legal Affairs under the Ministry of Justice, said Taiwan welcomes closer cooperation with other jurisdictions to combat cross-border crime, and he is glad to see Hong Kong's planned legislation." [2] "Taipei will not agree to transfer of Hong Kong murder suspect if Taiwanese citizens risk being sent to mainland China" https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3009506/hong-kong-leader-carrie-lam-accuses-opponents-talking-trash https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3009506...
- isaaafc 7y ago
  They wanted the suspect on trial for sure, but not under this law, as stated in your third source. Even Carrie Lam herself admitted this in the press meeting just now.