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Hanlon shows that people rate 'jobs' above all sorts of variables, including economic growth and shuttering zombie businesses which would make everyone richer.

Hanlon shows that people rate 'jobs' above all sorts of variables, including economic growth and shuttering zombie businesses which would make everyone richer. Particularly bizarre in a country like the United Kingdom which is operating at record levels of employment.

dymk 7y ago
Is it bizarre? It seems really intuitive that a country where jobs are prioritized above most else has an incredibly high employment rate.
- oneplane 7y ago
  It might seem inventive, but in this scope/size intuition is often wrong. Same with all large or long-term things in general; humans are notoriously bad at those. Take this specific case; stay the reactor's systems fail (all of them including the quadruple redundancies), those jobs and energy generators are kind-of irrelevant if you are dead...
  - gubbrora 7y ago
    I'm sure the reactor enables a lot of jobs far enough away that they'd be safe if it explodes or whatever
    - oneplane 7y ago
      In that case, why not make many exploding reactors, jobs for everyone! /s You do see what the point is, right?
TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
The UK is operating at entirely fake levels of employment. The statistics are based on a Labour Force Survey which counts anyone who works for one hour a week - or more - as employed. And also anyone who labels themselves as self-employed, irrespective of hours worked. This is explicitly official policy, and not exaggeration or hyperbole. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics#employment https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwor...
- teh_klev 7y ago
  This ^^^^. Thank you. So, in the UK, if you're on unemployment benefit (UB) you're permitted to work up to 15 hours a week. But that wage is deducted from your UB. That work counts towards "employment" as far as the current UK stats are concerned. It's a lie and the UK government should own up to this....but statistics, damn statistics make them look good depending on how you cut things.
- M2Ys4U 7y ago
  They are employed, though. They're just under employed. These definitions aren't just made up to make the UK look good, they're international definitions of employment.
teh_klev 7y ago
> which is operating at record levels of employment. Depends on your classification of "employment". For the last 30 years the UK government DWP (Department for Work and Pensions) has being classifying all sorts of things as "employment" including folks who work on zero hour contracts, which aren't full employment. Governments get to classify all sorts of things as "record levels" of employment, meanwhile these "employed families" are still having to rely on foodbanks to feed themselves.

dymk 7y ago

Is it bizarre? It seems really intuitive that a country where jobs are prioritized above most else has an incredibly high employment rate.

oneplane 7y ago
It might seem inventive, but in this scope/size intuition is often wrong. Same with all large or long-term things in general; humans are notoriously bad at those. Take this specific case; stay the reactor's systems fail (all of them including the quadruple redundancies), those jobs and energy generators are kind-of irrelevant if you are dead...
- gubbrora 7y ago
  I'm sure the reactor enables a lot of jobs far enough away that they'd be safe if it explodes or whatever
  - oneplane 7y ago
    In that case, why not make many exploding reactors, jobs for everyone! /s You do see what the point is, right?

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago

The UK is operating at entirely fake levels of employment. The statistics are based on a Labour Force Survey which counts anyone who works for one hour a week - or more - as employed. And also anyone who labels themselves as self-employed, irrespective of hours worked. This is explicitly official policy, and not exaggeration or hyperbole. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics#employment https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwor...

teh_klev 7y ago
This ^^^^. Thank you. So, in the UK, if you're on unemployment benefit (UB) you're permitted to work up to 15 hours a week. But that wage is deducted from your UB. That work counts towards "employment" as far as the current UK stats are concerned. It's a lie and the UK government should own up to this....but statistics, damn statistics make them look good depending on how you cut things.
M2Ys4U 7y ago
They are employed, though. They're just under employed. These definitions aren't just made up to make the UK look good, they're international definitions of employment.

teh_klev 7y ago

> which is operating at record levels of employment. Depends on your classification of "employment". For the last 30 years the UK government DWP (Department for Work and Pensions) has being classifying all sorts of things as "employment" including folks who work on zero hour contracts, which aren't full employment. Governments get to classify all sorts of things as "record levels" of employment, meanwhile these "employed families" are still having to rely on foodbanks to feed themselves.