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Speaking as somebody who does enjoy a vegan boiger - 'health' and 'nutrition' are not things I'm looking at when I want a burger. This whole debate is one big
by hallihax 7y ago
Speaking as somebody who does enjoy a vegan boiger - 'health' and 'nutrition' are not things I'm looking at when I want a burger.
This whole debate is one big straw-man. I'm a vegan. I don't need burgers. I might want burgers, but they don't form a part of a standard diet just in the same way any kind of burger probably shouldn't form part of anybody's regular diet.
If you're eating processed food - there's a considerable chance that whatever it is you're eating - vegan or otherwise - is neither nutritious nor healthy. It probably tastes good though, which is why you want it in the first place.
Ultimately it boils down to this: if I'm eating a burger, then nutrition and health are more or less irrelevant - I'm after taste. I think the lives of animals are more important than my taste-buds, so I eat plant-based burgers. It's not really any more complicated than that.
- sametmax 7y agoPrecisely. And if you have enough veggies and vegans around you, you know that they can eat as much junk food as everyone else. Sugar is vegan, after all.
- hallihax 7y agoI'm guilty myself - my city has exploded with vegan stuff over the last couple of years and my waistline has expanded in-line with it :P
- seandougall 7y agoSome sugar is vegan. Most isn’t, though most vegans I know conveniently ignore that: [1] [1] https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-sugar-vegan/ https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-sugar-vegan/
- skummetmaelk 7y agoConsidering sugar to be non vegan just because it has possibly been filtered using animal derived coal is not far away from considering products made by workers who consumed meat to also be non-vegan.
- themagician 7y agoThe definition of vegan changes depending on who you ask.
- jtms 7y agoA good sugar and salt dry rub is excellent on a rack of ribs.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y agoUm. Is PETA considered a reliable source?
- jtms 7y agoConsidering they are one of the most extremist and hypocritical organizations I can think of I would certainly vote a strong no on that
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- niklasolai 7y agoHow are they an extremist organization?
- niklasolai 7y agoWhy would´t they be in this area?
- selectodude 7y agoI don't know many skinny vegetarians. Eating nothing but carbs and butter is vegetarian and extremely unhealthy.
- maccard 7y agoThere are plenty of super high protein vegetatian and vegan options available. Many nuts, and pulses are in the same ballpark as even red meat. Consider that most people aren't strictly carnivorous, and are usually pairing a burger with 600 calories of fries, and a 400 calorie bun, which is all carb.
- dpoochieni 7y agoNot by any chance, when I eat nut they tend to deplete my minerals, requiring constants supplementation. Plus, I think some aminoacids are difficult to source from vegetarian sources. I personally do great on glycine (skin, eyes, hair, overall inflammation, sleep) and have not found a veggie source.
- vibrato 7y agoNothing is in the same ballpark as red meat in terms of nutrition density and bioavailability.
- maccard 7y agoA beef steak is about 270 calories for 30g of protein, cooked lentils are about 22g for the same number of calories. I'm not researched enough in bioavailability to comment on that part. For an 80kg man, the "recommended" protein intake is about 64g, the difference in calories is fairly minute (assuming you compare 100% meat vs 100% lentils). If you're training/weightlifting and following the advice of 2-3g per kg of bodyweight, you're almost certainly going to supplement your protein intake anyway. Protein supplements are 2-3x the density of red meat, and available in vegan options if that's your thing.
- vibrato 7y ago
- chr1 7y agoSure vegan burgers have their target market, but if they were healthy in addition to being vegan they would appeal to a larger market.
- hallihax 7y agoThis is true of non-vegan burgers too, surely?
- chr1 7y agoNo. Vegan burgers have a small target market, and are not very appealing for most of the people. Non vegans would consider buying vegan burger if it had some advantage. Most of vegans would not consider buying normal burger even if it was better for their health. (I have a friend who keeps vegan diet even though she has to take vitamin suplements).
- hallihax 7y agoWhy would 'health' be a contributing factor for sales of vegan burgers but not non-vegan burgers?
- chr1 7y agoMarket for vegan burgers that have the same health effect as non-vegan burgers is vegans (including people who try to become vegans). Because if it tastes the same or worse as meat costs about the same (usually more), what is the reason to buy them instead of normal burger or something like falafel. Market for vegan burgers with better health effect than non-vegan burgers is vegans+health concerned non-vegans which is much larger than vegans alone. Market for non-vegan burgers is always non-vegans. Being more healthy can affect the standing of particular non-vegan burger among other non-vegan burgers, but is unlikely to attract many vegans (which is an order of magnitude smaller market anyway and couldn't have high impact on the larger non-vegan market).
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- endymi0n 7y ago„In a related study, the same authors found that electric cars on average are not any faster than petrol based cars.“
- hallihax 7y agoOn average, in cities like London, driving is more or less the same speed as walking.
- dymk 7y agoI feel like you missed the point of the analogy you were responding to, or you just wanted to shift the discussion to be about cars in cities. Either way I'm confused what your point is.
- hallihax 7y agoIt's possible I missed the point - but I'll leave it to the OP to correct me. My point was that 'vegan vs non-vegan' is not a choice people make based on factors like those they might use to make a decision between petrol vs electric.
- vibrato 7y agoI eat burgers for my health. Often with no bun or fries. The more of my calories come from beef, the better I feel.