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My wife and I really enjoy both IF and BM burgers - just be sure to not overlook them! They do contain a lot of fat from vegetable oil but they are very low in

My wife and I really enjoy both IF and BM burgers - just be sure to not overlook them! They do contain a lot of fat from vegetable oil but they are very low in cholesterol. I will trade more sodium for the advantages for me of reducing cholesterol. They really taste good. We like them on good rolls, purple onion, tomato, lettuce, and whatever sauce we feel like. Fantastic tasting burgers. There is also the advantages of not killing animals. My wife and I have just spent two years living in Illinois (returning home to Sedona Arizona next week) and our rented home is beside a pasteur and let me tell you that cows run around like dogs, playing together, and generally have different personalities - we notice which ones tend to start the running around playing/games and which ones join in after the game starts. I think most people in order to make themselves feel better imagine cows and steers as being dumb animals with no soul or consciousness. Not so. I am not a strict vegetarian, but personally I feel better about reducing my meat intake.

perfunctory 7y ago
I didn't do any history research on the subject but my own conspiracy theory suggests that the whole "humans have soul, animals don't" thing was invented to justify the natural world destruction.
- doitLP 7y ago
  Human-centric worldview and “only humans have souls” goes back to the dawn of recorded history. We often lived in closer confines with animals, often sleeping together for warmth, protection and to watch for predators. However killing animals for food was the way humans stayed alive when food was scarce as we pushed further into habitats that weren’t temperate. If anything I guess that the “only humans have souls” story arose as a necessary psychological protection mechanism for people who raised and got to know their animals and then had to slaughter and eat them. Same way people also try to dehumanize the enemy in war in order to not be crushed by the knowledge of killing another human being. Then once we stopped spending so much time with animals it was easy to continue the narrative since we don’t spend time observing them close up anymore and getting to know them personally.
  - aitchnyu 7y ago
    People don't have to dehumanise animals to slaughter them. American Indians thanked the spirit of the animal that just killed. Kobe husbandsmen massage, wine and dine their prized cattle. A guy in a Reader's Digest joke was surprised his daughter was delighted the cow with big blue eyes she fed through the fence ended up on her plate. Greek-Roman traditions allowed a soul to animals. Humans have a God-given part that allow them to determine right and wrong for themselves. This passage by Marcus Aurelius, Roman emperor upto 180 AD and Stoic philosopher assumes it. > The mind is the ruler of the soul. It should remainunstirred by agitations of the flesh—gentle and violent onesalike. Not mingling with them, but fencing itself off and keeping those feelings in their place. When they make theirway into your thoughts, through the sympathetic link betweenmind and body, don’t try to resist the sensation. Thesensation is natural. But don’t let the mind start in withjudgments, calling it “good” or “bad.”
- qyv 7y ago
  Animals have killed other animals for food since the dawn of life. You can't get more"natural" than that. Eating meat is hardly a human invention.
  - kbyatnal 7y ago
    The problem is not eating meat. The problem is the horrors of factory farming, which is as “unnatural” as it gets.
  - niklasolai 7y ago
    Just because something is natural does not mean it´s moral.
- javagram 7y ago
  FWIW, the Greek philosophy of Aristotle adopted by Christians later on said that souls existed in vegetables, animals, and in humans. Christians added to that the idea that the human soul was immortal and could survive the destruction of the body. http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1075.htm#article3 http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1075.htm#article3 I think any philosophizing about souls probably came long after humans began hunting for meat to survive.
greendestiny_re 7y ago
There is no indication dietary cholesterol impacts blood cholesterol. Watch Dr. Robert Lustig's "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" for more on the subject.
ubercow13 7y ago
Doesn't diatary cholesterol not matter for most people?

perfunctory 7y ago

I didn't do any history research on the subject but my own conspiracy theory suggests that the whole "humans have soul, animals don't" thing was invented to justify the natural world destruction.

doitLP 7y ago
Human-centric worldview and “only humans have souls” goes back to the dawn of recorded history. We often lived in closer confines with animals, often sleeping together for warmth, protection and to watch for predators. However killing animals for food was the way humans stayed alive when food was scarce as we pushed further into habitats that weren’t temperate. If anything I guess that the “only humans have souls” story arose as a necessary psychological protection mechanism for people who raised and got to know their animals and then had to slaughter and eat them. Same way people also try to dehumanize the enemy in war in order to not be crushed by the knowledge of killing another human being. Then once we stopped spending so much time with animals it was easy to continue the narrative since we don’t spend time observing them close up anymore and getting to know them personally.
- aitchnyu 7y ago
  People don't have to dehumanise animals to slaughter them. American Indians thanked the spirit of the animal that just killed. Kobe husbandsmen massage, wine and dine their prized cattle. A guy in a Reader's Digest joke was surprised his daughter was delighted the cow with big blue eyes she fed through the fence ended up on her plate. Greek-Roman traditions allowed a soul to animals. Humans have a God-given part that allow them to determine right and wrong for themselves. This passage by Marcus Aurelius, Roman emperor upto 180 AD and Stoic philosopher assumes it. > The mind is the ruler of the soul. It should remainunstirred by agitations of the flesh—gentle and violent onesalike. Not mingling with them, but fencing itself off and keeping those feelings in their place. When they make theirway into your thoughts, through the sympathetic link betweenmind and body, don’t try to resist the sensation. Thesensation is natural. But don’t let the mind start in withjudgments, calling it “good” or “bad.”
qyv 7y ago
Animals have killed other animals for food since the dawn of life. You can't get more"natural" than that. Eating meat is hardly a human invention.
- kbyatnal 7y ago
  The problem is not eating meat. The problem is the horrors of factory farming, which is as “unnatural” as it gets.
- niklasolai 7y ago
  Just because something is natural does not mean it´s moral.
javagram 7y ago
FWIW, the Greek philosophy of Aristotle adopted by Christians later on said that souls existed in vegetables, animals, and in humans. Christians added to that the idea that the human soul was immortal and could survive the destruction of the body. http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1075.htm#article3 http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1075.htm#article3 I think any philosophizing about souls probably came long after humans began hunting for meat to survive.

greendestiny_re 7y ago

There is no indication dietary cholesterol impacts blood cholesterol. Watch Dr. Robert Lustig's "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" for more on the subject.

ubercow13 7y ago

Doesn't diatary cholesterol not matter for most people?