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Just for everyone's clarity, you can use Cloudflare with AWS just fine. A previous site I built (https://hearthstonejson.com/ https://hearthstonejson.com/) is

Just for everyone's clarity, you can use Cloudflare with AWS just fine. A previous site I built (https://hearthstonejson.com/ https://hearthstonejson.com/) is pushing on the order of 100TB / month in images and JSON data, with 96% cached requests and 99.9% cloudflare-cached bandwidth. Almost nothing comes out of S3 itself. Cloudfront is the ridiculously-priced offering IMO. I don't really understand why people use it.

dpq 7y ago
I'm afraid you are in for a nasty surprise: CloudFlare specifically forbids using it mostly as an image/video CDN unless you are on the Enterprise tier (clause 2.8 in the Terms). I found it out the hard way a couple of years ago when I was helping with maintenance of a pretty large image hosting website (we got to 1-2Pb/mo range). CF may not pay attention to you while you are small, but when they do, it's going to cost you.
- ianai 7y ago
  What’s the enterprise cost per month?
  - dpq 7y ago
    Subject for negotiation. But it's going to be in the ballpark of many $k/mo
  - joshmn 7y ago
    $Contact us
    - qes 7y ago
      That. We ended up at $3500/month for ~200 TB/month. Reading this thread I might have negotiate harder when renewal time comes.
  - user5994461 7y ago
    Pro is $200, enterprise is $2000. This is probably customized per client and could be more for big companies.
- doliveira 7y ago
  I wonder if that's just for specifically image hosting websites like your case. Parent comment and my previous experiences seem to imply that embedded media is okay. Even then, just a few terabytes of traffic will make Cloudfront reach the thousands.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- busterarm 7y ago
  https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/ No enterprise contract required. Just for video, obviously.
- MaxBarraclough 7y ago
  > CloudFlare specifically forbids using it mostly as an image/video CDN unless you are on the Enterprise tier For those of us not in the know, what else would you use it for?
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    I remember them billing themselves as free DDoS protection.
    - MaxBarraclough 7y ago
      I don't follow. They're in the business of serving static content, right?
      - clhodapp 7y ago
        They are willing to serve as your CDN if you don't make them front too much image or audio traffic and you don't make them front any video. Their free tier is for non-media-focused sites only.
        therealdrag0 7y ago
        Why don't they just limit it by bandwidth/hits? Is there anything special about media content that it should be considered differently?
        MaxBarraclough 7y ago
        Video might mean adaptive bitrate I suppose.
- booleanbetrayal 7y ago
  via https://www.cloudflare.com/terms/ https://www.cloudflare.com/terms/ - "2.8 Limitation on Non-HTML Caching The Service is offered primarily as a platform to cache and serve web pages and websites. Unless explicitly included as a part of a Paid Service purchased by you, you agree to use the Service solely for the purpose of serving web pages as viewed through a web browser or other application and the Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) protocol or other equivalent technology. Use of the Service for the storage or caching of video (unless purchased separately as a Paid Service) or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content, is prohibited." --- "disproportionate percentage" seems wide open
- kjar 7y ago
  I wonder if image data URIs fly below the radar
module0000 7y ago
>> Cloudfront is the ridiculously-priced offering IMO. I don't really understand why people use it. Companies that get their highly regulated product(health insurance, hospitals, government contractors) "certified" for use in the AWS ecosystem. Once they do that, they are likely to use it for everything, and pass the cost on to the customer.

dpq 7y ago

I'm afraid you are in for a nasty surprise: CloudFlare specifically forbids using it mostly as an image/video CDN unless you are on the Enterprise tier (clause 2.8 in the Terms). I found it out the hard way a couple of years ago when I was helping with maintenance of a pretty large image hosting website (we got to 1-2Pb/mo range). CF may not pay attention to you while you are small, but when they do, it's going to cost you.

ianai 7y ago
What’s the enterprise cost per month?
- dpq 7y ago
  Subject for negotiation. But it's going to be in the ballpark of many $k/mo
- joshmn 7y ago
  $Contact us
  - qes 7y ago
    That. We ended up at $3500/month for ~200 TB/month. Reading this thread I might have negotiate harder when renewal time comes.
- user5994461 7y ago
  Pro is $200, enterprise is $2000. This is probably customized per client and could be more for big companies.
doliveira 7y ago
I wonder if that's just for specifically image hosting websites like your case. Parent comment and my previous experiences seem to imply that embedded media is okay. Even then, just a few terabytes of traffic will make Cloudfront reach the thousands.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
busterarm 7y ago
https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/ No enterprise contract required. Just for video, obviously.
MaxBarraclough 7y ago
> CloudFlare specifically forbids using it mostly as an image/video CDN unless you are on the Enterprise tier For those of us not in the know, what else would you use it for?
- whatshisface 7y ago
  I remember them billing themselves as free DDoS protection.
  - MaxBarraclough 7y ago
    I don't follow. They're in the business of serving static content, right?
    - clhodapp 7y ago
      They are willing to serve as your CDN if you don't make them front too much image or audio traffic and you don't make them front any video. Their free tier is for non-media-focused sites only.
      - therealdrag0 7y ago
        Why don't they just limit it by bandwidth/hits? Is there anything special about media content that it should be considered differently?
        MaxBarraclough 7y ago
        Video might mean adaptive bitrate I suppose.
booleanbetrayal 7y ago
via https://www.cloudflare.com/terms/ https://www.cloudflare.com/terms/ - "2.8 Limitation on Non-HTML Caching The Service is offered primarily as a platform to cache and serve web pages and websites. Unless explicitly included as a part of a Paid Service purchased by you, you agree to use the Service solely for the purpose of serving web pages as viewed through a web browser or other application and the Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) protocol or other equivalent technology. Use of the Service for the storage or caching of video (unless purchased separately as a Paid Service) or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content, is prohibited." --- "disproportionate percentage" seems wide open
kjar 7y ago
I wonder if image data URIs fly below the radar

module0000 7y ago

>> Cloudfront is the ridiculously-priced offering IMO. I don't really understand why people use it. Companies that get their highly regulated product(health insurance, hospitals, government contractors) "certified" for use in the AWS ecosystem. Once they do that, they are likely to use it for everything, and pass the cost on to the customer.