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Wtf

by kingpinfreddy 7y ago

Wtf

fredgrott 7y ago
free and gratis difference but English has two versions of free ie free and gratis..Libre is gratis
- user5994461 7y ago
  Are you sure? It's the opposite in latin.
  - tapland 7y ago
    Gratis as in without any associated cost and fri (free) as in without restrictions is the usage in Swedish as well.
    - Avamander 7y ago
      Thankfully Estonian has the difference as well, without cost being "tasuta", with freedoms being "vaba".
      - gnosek 7y ago
        Polish has darmowe (as in beer) and wolne (as in freedom). Ironically, wolne also means slow.
benj111 7y ago
When you say free software, you have to clarify, 'free as in freedom, not as in beer', libre doesn't have that double meaning.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  The problem is many people in the free software community enjoy confusing their audience and then take delight in pointing out their clever wordplay. No reasonable person would decide that the best way to cut through a complicated overlap of a technical discussion a moral issue with many subtleties was with a pun, of all things.
- klez 7y ago
  Libre doesn't have a meaning at all, in English, so you'll have to explain that as well. In other languages that I know there is no such problem because the two meanings of "free" are clearly disambiguated by two different words.
  - ttsda 7y ago
    The point is: with 'free', people might think they know what it means (it doesn't cost any money), 'libre' is context-specific.
  - benj111 7y ago
    I don't have my OED to hand to check, I'd be surprised if it wasn't in there though. I had come across the word prior to my introduction to free software, I'd come across gratis also.
    - klez 7y ago
      Not that it disproves you, but the only reference I could find in the online version is "vers libre", meaning "free verse", of course. I don't have a paper version to check, and I'm not a native speaker, so I'll have to trust you on this one :)
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    In English 'libre' does mean free, but it means free as in 'free will'. It's not the same meaning as 'libre' in other languages. So it is confusing. https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/107929 https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/107929
- vimslayer 7y ago
  Offtopic, but I've been wondering where people are getting all this free beer from? Where I come from beer is quite expensive.

Wtf

fredgrott 7y ago

free and gratis difference but English has two versions of free ie free and gratis..Libre is gratis

user5994461 7y ago
Are you sure? It's the opposite in latin.
- tapland 7y ago
  Gratis as in without any associated cost and fri (free) as in without restrictions is the usage in Swedish as well.
  - Avamander 7y ago
    Thankfully Estonian has the difference as well, without cost being "tasuta", with freedoms being "vaba".
    - gnosek 7y ago
      Polish has darmowe (as in beer) and wolne (as in freedom). Ironically, wolne also means slow.

benj111 7y ago

When you say free software, you have to clarify, 'free as in freedom, not as in beer', libre doesn't have that double meaning.

chrisseaton 7y ago
The problem is many people in the free software community enjoy confusing their audience and then take delight in pointing out their clever wordplay. No reasonable person would decide that the best way to cut through a complicated overlap of a technical discussion a moral issue with many subtleties was with a pun, of all things.
klez 7y ago
Libre doesn't have a meaning at all, in English, so you'll have to explain that as well. In other languages that I know there is no such problem because the two meanings of "free" are clearly disambiguated by two different words.
- ttsda 7y ago
  The point is: with 'free', people might think they know what it means (it doesn't cost any money), 'libre' is context-specific.
- benj111 7y ago
  I don't have my OED to hand to check, I'd be surprised if it wasn't in there though. I had come across the word prior to my introduction to free software, I'd come across gratis also.
  - klez 7y ago
    Not that it disproves you, but the only reference I could find in the online version is "vers libre", meaning "free verse", of course. I don't have a paper version to check, and I'm not a native speaker, so I'll have to trust you on this one :)
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  In English 'libre' does mean free, but it means free as in 'free will'. It's not the same meaning as 'libre' in other languages. So it is confusing. https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/107929 https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/107929
vimslayer 7y ago
Offtopic, but I've been wondering where people are getting all this free beer from? Where I come from beer is quite expensive.