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> refutation of the single source's work Janssens seems less skeptical of 23andMe's paper on polygenic score for type 2 diabetes [1][2], which -- interestingly

by eweitz 7y ago

> refutation of the single source's work Janssens seems less skeptical of 23andMe's paper on polygenic score for type 2 diabetes [1][2], which -- interestingly -- positively cites the Khera 2018 paper on polygenic score for heart disease that she critiqued. Some researchers are skeptical, but the medical community generally seems to consider polygenic scores promising for tests [3][4]. > you haven't posited how Bob's mapped genome sitting in 23andme will be used for medical treatment. Early intervention. Polygenic scores could be used for medical treatment by motivating earlier intervention. That could include stronger recommendations for better diet and exercise, closer monitoring programs, or more precise prescriptions. That, in turn, could reduce disease burden. [1] https://twitter.com/cecilejanssens/status/1137079703234387971 https://twitter.com/cecilejanssens/status/113707970323438797... [2] https://permalinks.23andme.com/pdf/23_19-Type2Diabetes_March2019.pdf https://permalinks.23andme.com/pdf/23_19-Type2Diabetes_March... [3] https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1129780543434964993 https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1129780543434964993 [4] https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002546 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...

maxheadroom 7y ago
>...could be used for medical treatment by motivating earlier intervention... and >...could include stronger recommendations for better diet and exercise, closer monitoring programs, or more precise prescriptions... and >...could reduce disease burden... This is where the problem delineates for me: We're being massively assumptive in moving from "could" to "is" and "will". I will, generally, concede the could portion but to assert that it is emphatically happening or going to happen is still far from fruition and to label this science as such, just yet, is overreaching and giving false hope where none should really be given because, then, you'll taint it's benefits with the drawbacks. Remember: Anonymised data (e.g.: 23andme) only allows a survey of what's relatively known or can be inferred from the anonymised dataset. To arrive at what you're suggesting, it would have to move into a different realm (I believe), like UK BioBank or GEDMatch but, even then, we're still basing things on speculative science - gambles of percentages that aren't, emphatically, true or false but a kind of "maybe, kind of, sort of, in a way, definitely could or defintely could not" muddied waters. That, to me, is a far stretch from saying that the data in 23andme is - actually - helping medicine; which I believe is what the OC I replied to emphatically said.

by eweitz 7y ago

maxheadroom 7y ago

>...could be used for medical treatment by motivating earlier intervention... and >...could include stronger recommendations for better diet and exercise, closer monitoring programs, or more precise prescriptions... and >...could reduce disease burden... This is where the problem delineates for me: We're being massively assumptive in moving from "could" to "is" and "will". I will, generally, concede the could portion but to assert that it is emphatically happening or going to happen is still far from fruition and to label this science as such, just yet, is overreaching and giving false hope where none should really be given because, then, you'll taint it's benefits with the drawbacks. Remember: Anonymised data (e.g.: 23andme) only allows a survey of what's relatively known or can be inferred from the anonymised dataset. To arrive at what you're suggesting, it would have to move into a different realm (I believe), like UK BioBank or GEDMatch but, even then, we're still basing things on speculative science - gambles of percentages that aren't, emphatically, true or false but a kind of "maybe, kind of, sort of, in a way, definitely could or defintely could not" muddied waters. That, to me, is a far stretch from saying that the data in 23andme is - actually - helping medicine; which I believe is what the OC I replied to emphatically said.