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Cisco was a rip off of The Stanford Blue Box. AFAIK the deans of the biz school and CS school founded Cisco with tech created by Stanford and were almost sued.

Cisco was a rip off of The Stanford Blue Box. AFAIK the deans of the biz school and CS school founded Cisco with tech created by Stanford and were almost sued. Stanford decided that it wasn’t worth the potential bad press to be sueing faculty.

paulryanrogers 7y ago
"Someone else does it too" isn't a very strong argument. We may be approaching a world where all critical infrastructure must be open hardware and software, or face a Balkenizd patchwork of suppliers local to each market. (Not a Cisco or Huawei fan myself.)
- spectramax 7y ago
  I love how people are trying to justify Huawei’s practices through asinine ways. Huawei needs to be criticized, banned, ostracized and condemned in the strongest way possible. China is lost its credibility a long time ago - the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company. The Chinese has mismanaged their “brand” to reap short term benefits. It can only go so far. Doing business with honesty, integrity and following appropriate laws is crucial for long term partnerships. Trust is one of the most important aspects in business.
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company The world cannot blindly trust any company. Companies are not persons. Companies try to make a profit, so at a whim they might change their business practises. With some luck you can trust a sitting CEO, but not even that is a given.
  - antipropaganda 7y ago
    I love how people are trying to justify the West's practices in asinine ways. The west needs to be criticized, ostracised and banned in the strongest way possible. West lost its credibility long time ago. They have mismanaged their brand to reap short term benefits. Blah blah blah....
  - igravious 7y ago
    Jesus H. Christ. This is flat out jingoism, racism, xenophobia. > any Chinese company What?! Any and every? Are you crazy? > Huawei needs to be criticized, banned, ostracized and condemned in the strongest way possible. So basically the Salem Witch trials are alive and well again. Glad to know that's where we're at culturally. On what grounds? I have yet to be shown any tangible proof of their nefarious ways. When I Google proof evidence huawei industrial espionage all I get are articles asking where the proof is at. I'm sure there's a low-level of industrial espionage going on all over the place all the time. What I want is proof that this company is a particularly egregious offender. Basically, all I'm asking for is evidence to support the hysteria.
    - spectramax 7y ago
      I have audited over 200 Chinese companies in the semiconductor industry. Our entire process is different for China than for say a German or Japanese firms. IP theft is rampant in China, especially in semiconductor sector. Apple follows similar stringent selection process for their Chinese suppliers. This isn’t racism, please don’t accuse my intent and motive. Let’s talk about Chinese practices, their laws (or how they bend them) and how these companies have a tremendous involvement with the Chinese government. I have many Chinese friends, some amazing stories of people in China and have immersed myself in the Chinese culture for over 5 years and spending 400 nights in Chinese cities. Your accusation is uncalled for. Criticizing a country isn’t racism.
      - igravious 7y ago
        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=some%20of%20my%20best%20friends%20are https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=some%20of%20... Three times you could have moderated or qualified your statements, three times you failed to do so and made blanket statements. > China is lost its credibility a long time ago The entire country? > cannot blindly trust any Chinese company Really? Any and every? > The Chinese has mismanaged their “brand” Again, all Chinese? To my ears, that smacks of racism.

paulryanrogers 7y ago

"Someone else does it too" isn't a very strong argument. We may be approaching a world where all critical infrastructure must be open hardware and software, or face a Balkenizd patchwork of suppliers local to each market. (Not a Cisco or Huawei fan myself.)

spectramax 7y ago
I love how people are trying to justify Huawei’s practices through asinine ways. Huawei needs to be criticized, banned, ostracized and condemned in the strongest way possible. China is lost its credibility a long time ago - the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company. The Chinese has mismanaged their “brand” to reap short term benefits. It can only go so far. Doing business with honesty, integrity and following appropriate laws is crucial for long term partnerships. Trust is one of the most important aspects in business.
- _ph_ 7y ago
  the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company The world cannot blindly trust any company. Companies are not persons. Companies try to make a profit, so at a whim they might change their business practises. With some luck you can trust a sitting CEO, but not even that is a given.
- antipropaganda 7y ago
  I love how people are trying to justify the West's practices in asinine ways. The west needs to be criticized, ostracised and banned in the strongest way possible. West lost its credibility long time ago. They have mismanaged their brand to reap short term benefits. Blah blah blah....
- igravious 7y ago
  Jesus H. Christ. This is flat out jingoism, racism, xenophobia. > any Chinese company What?! Any and every? Are you crazy? > Huawei needs to be criticized, banned, ostracized and condemned in the strongest way possible. So basically the Salem Witch trials are alive and well again. Glad to know that's where we're at culturally. On what grounds? I have yet to be shown any tangible proof of their nefarious ways. When I Google proof evidence huawei industrial espionage all I get are articles asking where the proof is at. I'm sure there's a low-level of industrial espionage going on all over the place all the time. What I want is proof that this company is a particularly egregious offender. Basically, all I'm asking for is evidence to support the hysteria.
  - spectramax 7y ago
    I have audited over 200 Chinese companies in the semiconductor industry. Our entire process is different for China than for say a German or Japanese firms. IP theft is rampant in China, especially in semiconductor sector. Apple follows similar stringent selection process for their Chinese suppliers. This isn’t racism, please don’t accuse my intent and motive. Let’s talk about Chinese practices, their laws (or how they bend them) and how these companies have a tremendous involvement with the Chinese government. I have many Chinese friends, some amazing stories of people in China and have immersed myself in the Chinese culture for over 5 years and spending 400 nights in Chinese cities. Your accusation is uncalled for. Criticizing a country isn’t racism.
    - igravious 7y ago
      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=some%20of%20my%20best%20friends%20are https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=some%20of%20... Three times you could have moderated or qualified your statements, three times you failed to do so and made blanket statements. > China is lost its credibility a long time ago The entire country? > cannot blindly trust any Chinese company Really? Any and every? > The Chinese has mismanaged their “brand” Again, all Chinese? To my ears, that smacks of racism.