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Just as a note: linking to politico is no different than linking to Breitbart. It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. Second:

Just as a note: linking to politico is no different than linking to Breitbart. It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. Second: do you know the details of the deal? Because no press source knows them as of yet, as they weren’t released by either administration. Just noting here for clarity. If you’d like to see the “other side”: https://www.breitbart.com/tag/tariffs/ https://www.breitbart.com/tag/tariffs/ Note: just as much propaganda, in the other direction, just as few details.

bitwize 7y ago
> It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. We're living in a post-Thompsonian world. There's no difference anymore. The far left gets it, the right certainly gets it, it's the mainstream "liberal" J-school crowd who think there's still such a thing as objective reporting.
- nwienert 7y ago
  There’s no such thing as no bias, but there’s more than just left and right, and certainly sources that are upfront about their bias are more reputable than ones that try and act non-partisan. There is “a difference”. Quality still exists outside bias, and that matters very much. But yes, read far and wide these days so you can yourself understand the various world views and not be fooled into thinking the NYTimes or Politico are “centrist”.
myko 7y ago
No, not at all At best Politico is "leans left": https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ Breitbart is on par with Stormfront
- nwienert 7y ago
  You’re very wrong and if you think Politico doesn’t lean very far left you live in a bubble. Here’s a direct refute showing them about the same polarization: https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
  - felipemnoa 7y ago
    According to this The New York Times leans more to the left than Politico. So by your logic The New York Times should also be banned. I really have a hard time equating The New York Times with Breitbart.
    - nwienert 7y ago
      Note: I never said anything about banning anything. Also, while this chart is probably more accurate than the other, I read Politico, NYTimes and many of the others here, and I'd personally rate them differently: NYTimes is fine, but Politico is further to the left of it.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    But.. the sources used by that page put it on the "Lean Left" range, along with The Economist and The Washington Post, while Breitbart is put on the "Right", and much farther from the middle than Politico...
    - nwienert 7y ago
      Go read the entire home page of the Politico right now and ask yourself if each article: 1. Benefits or takes the liberal side / attack’s the conservative side 2. Focuses on the issues that matter to liberals I’d say Politico averages about 9/10 articles that answer yes to both, at least. The difference from Breitbart is that Politico “dresses up” much nicer. Their tone is calm, the headlines seem objective. Their style is one of authority and objectivity, their content is entirely left leaning and oftentimes shamelessly so. I’m not left or right really, but it’s painfully obvious if you read from across the spectrum. That they seem not as biased (and probably why they rate as only somewhat left leaning in many of these charts) is probably helped by that. To me, that they present that way is a negative not a positive.
      - myko 7y ago
        It is wrong to look at whether or not an article takes the "liberal" or "conservative" side to decide whether or not there is bias. The truth matters. Take this article for instance, do you think it is biased? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-08/mexico-never-agreed-to-farm-deal-with-u-s-contradicting-trump?srnd=premium https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-08/mexico-ne... I'm guessing you do - because it points out that Trump is lying. The fact is he lies a lot. Pointing that out doesn't make the article biased. The idea that news should present "both sides" and not point out facts and lies is hurting society.

bitwize 7y ago

> It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. We're living in a post-Thompsonian world. There's no difference anymore. The far left gets it, the right certainly gets it, it's the mainstream "liberal" J-school crowd who think there's still such a thing as objective reporting.

nwienert 7y ago
There’s no such thing as no bias, but there’s more than just left and right, and certainly sources that are upfront about their bias are more reputable than ones that try and act non-partisan. There is “a difference”. Quality still exists outside bias, and that matters very much. But yes, read far and wide these days so you can yourself understand the various world views and not be fooled into thinking the NYTimes or Politico are “centrist”.

myko 7y ago

No, not at all At best Politico is "leans left": https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ Breitbart is on par with Stormfront

nwienert 7y ago
You’re very wrong and if you think Politico doesn’t lean very far left you live in a bubble. Here’s a direct refute showing them about the same polarization: https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
- felipemnoa 7y ago
  According to this The New York Times leans more to the left than Politico. So by your logic The New York Times should also be banned. I really have a hard time equating The New York Times with Breitbart.
  - nwienert 7y ago
    Note: I never said anything about banning anything. Also, while this chart is probably more accurate than the other, I read Politico, NYTimes and many of the others here, and I'd personally rate them differently: NYTimes is fine, but Politico is further to the left of it.
- icebraining 7y ago
  But.. the sources used by that page put it on the "Lean Left" range, along with The Economist and The Washington Post, while Breitbart is put on the "Right", and much farther from the middle than Politico...
  - nwienert 7y ago
    Go read the entire home page of the Politico right now and ask yourself if each article: 1. Benefits or takes the liberal side / attack’s the conservative side 2. Focuses on the issues that matter to liberals I’d say Politico averages about 9/10 articles that answer yes to both, at least. The difference from Breitbart is that Politico “dresses up” much nicer. Their tone is calm, the headlines seem objective. Their style is one of authority and objectivity, their content is entirely left leaning and oftentimes shamelessly so. I’m not left or right really, but it’s painfully obvious if you read from across the spectrum. That they seem not as biased (and probably why they rate as only somewhat left leaning in many of these charts) is probably helped by that. To me, that they present that way is a negative not a positive.
    - myko 7y ago
      It is wrong to look at whether or not an article takes the "liberal" or "conservative" side to decide whether or not there is bias. The truth matters. Take this article for instance, do you think it is biased? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-08/mexico-never-agreed-to-farm-deal-with-u-s-contradicting-trump?srnd=premium https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-08/mexico-ne... I'm guessing you do - because it points out that Trump is lying. The fact is he lies a lot. Pointing that out doesn't make the article biased. The idea that news should present "both sides" and not point out facts and lies is hurting society.