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I really like Python... it is fun to program with and has a decent library for just about anything you can imagine. However, I would really like a Flutter like

I really like Python... it is fun to program with and has a decent library for just about anything you can imagine. However, I would really like a Flutter like UI experience for Python. More concretely, Python would rule the world if it had a modern cross platform framework upon which to build graphical interfaces for all the devices we see today. From iOS to Android to RasPi to Google Home to anything with a screen. Kivy and the Beeware project are just too janky to really accomplish anything. No offense intended to the creators or maintainers. The complexity to get anything out there is just too much. I have been looking at Flutter/Dart and React/JS to fill this gap. Also, thinking about possibly learning Swift. My logic, Python seems like it is going down the ML rabbit hole with no signs of abatement... I don't know what that means for long term adoption. If Swift, Dart, Kotlin and JS can tap into the same ML pipelines, I don't see the benefit of Python in the long run. I mean a Pandas library for anyone of the languages mentioned above would be a game changer for ML adoption in that language, imo.

mlvljr 7y ago
QML via PySide :)
the_trapper 7y ago
The problem is that the Android SDK is a Rube Goldberg machine full of layers of over engineered complexity. It does not work well with anything other than Kotlin, Java, and to a much lesser extent C++. Even other JVM languages have a hard time working properly on Android.
tshirtman 7y ago
Did you check the gallery of apps done with kivy, on android or else? Much can be accomplished, i promise you. https://kivy.org/#gallery https://kivy.org/#gallery here are a few of the apps i personally developped fully with kivy https://vimeo.com/297757037 https://vimeo.com/297757037 https://vimeo.com/257492885 https://vimeo.com/257492885 https://vimeo.com/206290310 https://vimeo.com/206290310 https://vimeo.com/144659031 https://vimeo.com/144659031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umls6ytXasU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umls6ytXasU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EF5W-d2eVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EF5W-d2eVI python can do so much more than ML, reducing it to that is short sighted.
hackskills 7y ago
Mobile apps written in Python might be too slow though.
- tshirtman 7y ago
  Too slow for what? How slow do you think python is? unless your application is cpu-bound (which it probably isn't), python is fast enough for basically anything you might want to do these days, and if it is, you can use cython to optimize the parts that needs to be fast, as kivy does.
meredydd 7y ago
It's only for Web apps so far, but can I interest you in an online development environment with drag'n'drop UI, Python in the browser and on the server, full autocomplete, and a bunch of other creature comforts unavailable in the modern Web stack? It's called Anvil (https://anvil.works https://anvil.works), and we built it very much for this kind of use case.

mlvljr 7y ago

QML via PySide :)

the_trapper 7y ago

The problem is that the Android SDK is a Rube Goldberg machine full of layers of over engineered complexity. It does not work well with anything other than Kotlin, Java, and to a much lesser extent C++. Even other JVM languages have a hard time working properly on Android.

tshirtman 7y ago

Did you check the gallery of apps done with kivy, on android or else? Much can be accomplished, i promise you. https://kivy.org/#gallery https://kivy.org/#gallery here are a few of the apps i personally developped fully with kivy https://vimeo.com/297757037 https://vimeo.com/297757037 https://vimeo.com/257492885 https://vimeo.com/257492885 https://vimeo.com/206290310 https://vimeo.com/206290310 https://vimeo.com/144659031 https://vimeo.com/144659031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umls6ytXasU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umls6ytXasU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EF5W-d2eVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EF5W-d2eVI python can do so much more than ML, reducing it to that is short sighted.

hackskills 7y ago

Mobile apps written in Python might be too slow though.

tshirtman 7y ago
Too slow for what? How slow do you think python is? unless your application is cpu-bound (which it probably isn't), python is fast enough for basically anything you might want to do these days, and if it is, you can use cython to optimize the parts that needs to be fast, as kivy does.

meredydd 7y ago

It's only for Web apps so far, but can I interest you in an online development environment with drag'n'drop UI, Python in the browser and on the server, full autocomplete, and a bunch of other creature comforts unavailable in the modern Web stack? It's called Anvil (https://anvil.works https://anvil.works), and we built it very much for this kind of use case.