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Not saying he's been successful, but he has tried repeatedly. I'm also trying to set aside whether I agree with these policies. Failure to do so is part of the

by apo 7y ago

Not saying he's been successful, but he has tried repeatedly. I'm also trying to set aside whether I agree with these policies. Failure to do so is part of the reason so many Democrats have been so utterly ineffective against this president. Oddly enough, the latest iteration (threatening new tariffs on Mexico) appears to have lead to a concession by Mexico to station 6,000 of its national guard units at the border to prevent emigration to the US. I'd say this more than demonstrates that this president will take things to extremes few thought possible in an effort to make good on his campaign promises. I even suspect a large number of Mexican national guard troop stationed at the border might even qualify as a "wall" that was "paid for" by Mexico. It also hints that further concessions by Mexico to fund a constructed wall might be forthcoming by making the same threat again.

Svip 7y ago
> Oddly enough, the latest iteration (threatening new tariffs on Mexico) appears to have lead to a concession by Mexico to station 6,000 of its national guard units at the border to prevent emigration to the US. Just for the record, Mexico were already doing all of those things.[0] Mexico didn't just form a National Guard over night; they were already planning to send 6,000 troops their southern border. Mexico refused to accept that people fleeing should seek asylum in Mexico, if they enter it first. Which would have been pretty significant. [0] https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/08/trump-trade-deals-mexico-china-1358155 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/08/trump-trade-deals-...
- nwienert 7y ago
  Just as a note: linking to politico is no different than linking to Breitbart. It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. Second: do you know the details of the deal? Because no press source knows them as of yet, as they weren’t released by either administration. Just noting here for clarity. If you’d like to see the “other side”: https://www.breitbart.com/tag/tariffs/ https://www.breitbart.com/tag/tariffs/ Note: just as much propaganda, in the other direction, just as few details.
  - bitwize 7y ago
    > It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. We're living in a post-Thompsonian world. There's no difference anymore. The far left gets it, the right certainly gets it, it's the mainstream "liberal" J-school crowd who think there's still such a thing as objective reporting.
    - nwienert 7y ago
      There’s no such thing as no bias, but there’s more than just left and right, and certainly sources that are upfront about their bias are more reputable than ones that try and act non-partisan. There is “a difference”. Quality still exists outside bias, and that matters very much. But yes, read far and wide these days so you can yourself understand the various world views and not be fooled into thinking the NYTimes or Politico are “centrist”.
  - myko 7y ago
    No, not at all At best Politico is "leans left": https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ Breitbart is on par with Stormfront
    - nwienert 7y ago
      You’re very wrong and if you think Politico doesn’t lean very far left you live in a bubble. Here’s a direct refute showing them about the same polarization: https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
      - felipemnoa 7y ago
        According to this The New York Times leans more to the left than Politico. So by your logic The New York Times should also be banned. I really have a hard time equating The New York Times with Breitbart.
        7y ago

by apo 7y ago

Svip 7y ago

> Oddly enough, the latest iteration (threatening new tariffs on Mexico) appears to have lead to a concession by Mexico to station 6,000 of its national guard units at the border to prevent emigration to the US. Just for the record, Mexico were already doing all of those things.[0] Mexico didn't just form a National Guard over night; they were already planning to send 6,000 troops their southern border. Mexico refused to accept that people fleeing should seek asylum in Mexico, if they enter it first. Which would have been pretty significant. [0] https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/08/trump-trade-deals-mexico-china-1358155 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/08/trump-trade-deals-...

nwienert 7y ago
Just as a note: linking to politico is no different than linking to Breitbart. It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. Second: do you know the details of the deal? Because no press source knows them as of yet, as they weren’t released by either administration. Just noting here for clarity. If you’d like to see the “other side”: https://www.breitbart.com/tag/tariffs/ https://www.breitbart.com/tag/tariffs/ Note: just as much propaganda, in the other direction, just as few details.
- bitwize 7y ago
  > It’s a incredibly partisan, biased source that blurs opinion into news. We're living in a post-Thompsonian world. There's no difference anymore. The far left gets it, the right certainly gets it, it's the mainstream "liberal" J-school crowd who think there's still such a thing as objective reporting.
  - nwienert 7y ago
    There’s no such thing as no bias, but there’s more than just left and right, and certainly sources that are upfront about their bias are more reputable than ones that try and act non-partisan. There is “a difference”. Quality still exists outside bias, and that matters very much. But yes, read far and wide these days so you can yourself understand the various world views and not be fooled into thinking the NYTimes or Politico are “centrist”.
- myko 7y ago
  No, not at all At best Politico is "leans left": https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/ Breitbart is on par with Stormfront
  - nwienert 7y ago
    You’re very wrong and if you think Politico doesn’t lean very far left you live in a bubble. Here’s a direct refute showing them about the same polarization: https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
    - felipemnoa 7y ago
      According to this The New York Times leans more to the left than Politico. So by your logic The New York Times should also be banned. I really have a hard time equating The New York Times with Breitbart.
      - 7y ago