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I think too many people are willing to take a pay cut to do this. If you believe you will be as or more productive, or that your skills and knowledge are more v

by Rapzid 7y ago

I think too many people are willing to take a pay cut to do this. If you believe you will be as or more productive, or that your skills and knowledge are more valuable than just your raw time, you should consider negotiating a 4 day week with no pay cut.

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necovek 7y ago
Since I am willing to take a pay cut, and even a pay cut per hour, here's my reasoning. For every hour spent at work, I am not spending it on something of my own choice. Hours of my own choice are worth much more than hours of work to me, because they usually fulfill me more. So, if I am to work couple hours a day, that's going to cost you little. The more you take from my "own" hours, the costlier they get. So, if I consider a normal work week to be 24h, anything above that costs non-proportionally more. I.e. 40h is not 40/24 more, but it's actually 24 x base_hourly_cost + 16 x own_factor x base_hourly_work, where own_factor is usually around 2, depending on how much I might like the base work. So, in a sense, I am not taking a pay cut, I am just taking a reasonable salary for doing the work, but if someone insists on taking more of my time for little benefit to them and a lot of burden to me, it's going to cost significantly more.
- dtn 7y ago
  This is a similar line of reasoning that I take regarding 4-day work weeks. Not only would I be working for 20% less hours, I'm also gaining 50% more leisure time (2 day weekend => 3 days). From this perspective, taking a flat per-hour pay cut is an easy choice.
- qntty 7y ago
  You're essentially paying your employer so that you can have more free time. One could argue that if you feel the need to pay for your own life, you're in a sense the property of another person. If you do X amount of work, why shouldn't you be entitled to the fruits of that labor? Why does anybody have the right to take the value that you created away from you?
  - necovek 7y ago
    In European copyright law, they actually can't: non-exclusive (eg. can't be sold) moral right protects the obvious moral aspects, but there are also compensation related clauses (eg. I created a "work of authorship" and got compensated $1000, yet company earned $5 million off it, I'd be entitled to ask for a fairer share of the profits). I am sure this hasn't been tested in courts for software development so far, with it being such a collaborative endeavor, it'd be hard to lay a claim to how much your worm was really worth). I also take a different view: a person is not owned, but it's normal for labour to be paid. A labourer can design their own pricing scale to encourage labour deals they prefer. Just like companies design their pricing schemes to eg. support only large customers (up to 20 users free with no support, paid-for afterwards).

by Rapzid 7y ago

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necovek 7y ago

Since I am willing to take a pay cut, and even a pay cut per hour, here's my reasoning. For every hour spent at work, I am not spending it on something of my own choice. Hours of my own choice are worth much more than hours of work to me, because they usually fulfill me more. So, if I am to work couple hours a day, that's going to cost you little. The more you take from my "own" hours, the costlier they get. So, if I consider a normal work week to be 24h, anything above that costs non-proportionally more. I.e. 40h is not 40/24 more, but it's actually 24 x base_hourly_cost + 16 x own_factor x base_hourly_work, where own_factor is usually around 2, depending on how much I might like the base work. So, in a sense, I am not taking a pay cut, I am just taking a reasonable salary for doing the work, but if someone insists on taking more of my time for little benefit to them and a lot of burden to me, it's going to cost significantly more.

dtn 7y ago
This is a similar line of reasoning that I take regarding 4-day work weeks. Not only would I be working for 20% less hours, I'm also gaining 50% more leisure time (2 day weekend => 3 days). From this perspective, taking a flat per-hour pay cut is an easy choice.
qntty 7y ago
You're essentially paying your employer so that you can have more free time. One could argue that if you feel the need to pay for your own life, you're in a sense the property of another person. If you do X amount of work, why shouldn't you be entitled to the fruits of that labor? Why does anybody have the right to take the value that you created away from you?
- necovek 7y ago
  In European copyright law, they actually can't: non-exclusive (eg. can't be sold) moral right protects the obvious moral aspects, but there are also compensation related clauses (eg. I created a "work of authorship" and got compensated $1000, yet company earned $5 million off it, I'd be entitled to ask for a fairer share of the profits). I am sure this hasn't been tested in courts for software development so far, with it being such a collaborative endeavor, it'd be hard to lay a claim to how much your worm was really worth). I also take a different view: a person is not owned, but it's normal for labour to be paid. A labourer can design their own pricing scale to encourage labour deals they prefer. Just like companies design their pricing schemes to eg. support only large customers (up to 20 users free with no support, paid-for afterwards).