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I just scrolled down the screenshot section where it showed the videos he watched in one time period, are you really trying to say Stefan Molyneux, Paul Joseph

by lwelyk 7y ago

I just scrolled down the screenshot section where it showed the videos he watched in one time period, are you really trying to say Stefan Molyneux, Paul Joseph Watson, thunderf00t and a lady complaining about "cuckservatives" aren't "far right" or conspiracy theorists?

Grue3 7y ago
What's wrong with thunderf00t? I only remember him for anti-creationist videos and exposing Solar Roadways. It seems he's anti-conspiracy theorist if anything.
ForHackernews 7y ago
I've only seen the thunderf00t videos debunking the "hyperloop" nonsense, and they seemed pretty reasonable to me.
coldtea 7y ago
I haven't watched Stefan Molyneux or thunderf00t, so can't tell. I've watched a few Paul Joseph Watson videos. I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take (e.g. Milo plays the extravagant provocateur for laughs and money), but where are those "conspiracy theories"? Of course in these days, everything is labeled a "conspiracy theory" too. I keep the term for things involving the illuminati and aliens. Regular corporatist interests and politicians conspire all the time -- the more open version is called lobbying. Heck, politics is all about conspiring (including very covertly spy-shit, Nixon-Watergate like) against other parties and ideologies...
- mistermann 7y ago
  > Stefan Molyneux, thunderf00t, Paul Joseph Watson I can see how Stefan Molyneux and Paul Joseph Watson make people very uncomfortable (heck, they often make me feel uncomfortable, particularly Molyneux), they are certainly "extreme", for current mainstream definitions of the word. But then again, FTA: > “When I found this stuff, I felt like I was chasing uncomfortable truths,” he told me. “I felt like it was giving me power and respect and authority.” I've watched some of these guys videos, and I believe anyone claiming that they do not have at least some valid perspectives worth discussion is being intellectually dishonest. > Unlike most progressives Mr. Cain had seen take on the right, Mr. Bonnell and Ms. Wynn were funny and engaging. They spoke the native language of YouTube, and they didn’t get outraged by far-right ideas. Instead, they rolled their eyes at them, and made them seem shallow and unsophisticated. “I noticed that right-wing people were taking these old-fashioned, knee-jerk, reactionary politics and packing them as edgy punk rock,” Ms. Wynn told me. “One of my goals was to take the excitement out of it.” When Mr. Cain first saw these videos, he dismissed them as left-wing propaganda. But he watched more, and he started to wonder if people like Ms. Wynn had a point. Her videos persuasively used research and citations to rebut the right-wing talking points he had absorbed. “I just kept watching more and more of that content, sympathizing and empathizing with her and also seeing that, wow, she really knows what she’s talking about,” Mr. Cain said. "persuasively used research and citations to rebut the right-wing talking points he had absorbed" - the right-wing talking points that also used research and citations. That's the thing about propaganda and statistics - it's a double edged sword. > I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take, but where are those "conspiracy theories"? I too noticed the subtle guilt by association. I wonder if the commonality of this tactic ever adds fuel to the fire of conspiratorial thinking. I continue to believe that one of the biggest reasons that "right wing extremism" is so effective at recruiting is because there are so many holes in official/proper version of reality we're sold.
- lwelyk 7y ago
  Paul Joseph Watson was an employee of Info Wars. Like, the whole thing of that site is conspiracy theories? I can't help but feel you're being disingenuous when you question Info Wars members being conspiracy theorists.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    And I feel people are being disingenuous when they say Paul Joseph Watson is a conspiracy theorist by association. I've watched several of his own videos on his YouTube channel. Where are the conspiracy theories?
    - lwelyk 7y ago
      I found these in about 10 minutes. Don't act like being part of a conspiracy theory website makes calling you a conspiracy theorist is some sort of disingenuous leap. Like the point of the website is spreading conspiracy theories. A lot of the prison planet blog was deleted it seems, I guess due to his and alex jones' fallout, but here are your links. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIAlft47bM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIAlft47bM https://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-many-questions-as-it-answers/ https://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-m... https://web.archive.org/web/20180123234120/https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/220207okcrevelations.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20180123234120/https://www.priso... https://web.archive.org/web/20170702085649/https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407blackop.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20170702085649/https://www.priso... https://web.archive.org/web/20171226050840/https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/130705teneasysteps.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20171226050840/https://www.priso...
      - coldtea 7y ago
        So, the kind of "conspiracy" you meant is speculation there is a cover up of a politician's ill health condition in the first video? That has been done time and again by all kinds of politicians and leaders, from the time of El Cid... If that's a "conspiracy theory", then sure, every journalist alluding to something not documented at the time, is a conspiracy theorist. I expected more aliens, illuminati, and lizard people. The second is merely reporting, on a well known topic of public discussion. A document was requested, it appeared, and there were people raising questions about certain aspects. Should they not be reported? Where's the conspiracy part? The others I'll give you are conspiracy theory material (though several of those kind of conspiracies (government conspiring, ordering executions, and so on), that a naive US person thinks "can never happen", have been found -- by courts and later evidence -- true in Europe time and again, just ask in Italy, Spain, France, Greece, etc. E.g: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing#Official_investigations_and_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing#Officia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigoris_Lambrakis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigoris_Lambrakis That said, those are from like 10 years ago or more? I'm familiar with his YouTube stuff and I don't see much conspiracy stuff there.
- faissaloo 7y ago
  Thunderf00t just hates SJWs, he's not right wing in the slightest. Stefan Molymeme on the other hand is literally alt-right and believes in race 'realism'.

by lwelyk 7y ago

Grue3 7y ago

What's wrong with thunderf00t? I only remember him for anti-creationist videos and exposing Solar Roadways. It seems he's anti-conspiracy theorist if anything.

ForHackernews 7y ago

I've only seen the thunderf00t videos debunking the "hyperloop" nonsense, and they seemed pretty reasonable to me.

coldtea 7y ago

I haven't watched Stefan Molyneux or thunderf00t, so can't tell. I've watched a few Paul Joseph Watson videos. I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take (e.g. Milo plays the extravagant provocateur for laughs and money), but where are those "conspiracy theories"? Of course in these days, everything is labeled a "conspiracy theory" too. I keep the term for things involving the illuminati and aliens. Regular corporatist interests and politicians conspire all the time -- the more open version is called lobbying. Heck, politics is all about conspiring (including very covertly spy-shit, Nixon-Watergate like) against other parties and ideologies...

mistermann 7y ago
> Stefan Molyneux, thunderf00t, Paul Joseph Watson I can see how Stefan Molyneux and Paul Joseph Watson make people very uncomfortable (heck, they often make me feel uncomfortable, particularly Molyneux), they are certainly "extreme", for current mainstream definitions of the word. But then again, FTA: > “When I found this stuff, I felt like I was chasing uncomfortable truths,” he told me. “I felt like it was giving me power and respect and authority.” I've watched some of these guys videos, and I believe anyone claiming that they do not have at least some valid perspectives worth discussion is being intellectually dishonest. > Unlike most progressives Mr. Cain had seen take on the right, Mr. Bonnell and Ms. Wynn were funny and engaging. They spoke the native language of YouTube, and they didn’t get outraged by far-right ideas. Instead, they rolled their eyes at them, and made them seem shallow and unsophisticated. “I noticed that right-wing people were taking these old-fashioned, knee-jerk, reactionary politics and packing them as edgy punk rock,” Ms. Wynn told me. “One of my goals was to take the excitement out of it.” When Mr. Cain first saw these videos, he dismissed them as left-wing propaganda. But he watched more, and he started to wonder if people like Ms. Wynn had a point. Her videos persuasively used research and citations to rebut the right-wing talking points he had absorbed. “I just kept watching more and more of that content, sympathizing and empathizing with her and also seeing that, wow, she really knows what she’s talking about,” Mr. Cain said. "persuasively used research and citations to rebut the right-wing talking points he had absorbed" - the right-wing talking points that also used research and citations. That's the thing about propaganda and statistics - it's a double edged sword. > I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take, but where are those "conspiracy theories"? I too noticed the subtle guilt by association. I wonder if the commonality of this tactic ever adds fuel to the fire of conspiratorial thinking. I continue to believe that one of the biggest reasons that "right wing extremism" is so effective at recruiting is because there are so many holes in official/proper version of reality we're sold.
lwelyk 7y ago
Paul Joseph Watson was an employee of Info Wars. Like, the whole thing of that site is conspiracy theories? I can't help but feel you're being disingenuous when you question Info Wars members being conspiracy theorists.
- coldtea 7y ago
  And I feel people are being disingenuous when they say Paul Joseph Watson is a conspiracy theorist by association. I've watched several of his own videos on his YouTube channel. Where are the conspiracy theories?
  - lwelyk 7y ago
    I found these in about 10 minutes. Don't act like being part of a conspiracy theory website makes calling you a conspiracy theorist is some sort of disingenuous leap. Like the point of the website is spreading conspiracy theories. A lot of the prison planet blog was deleted it seems, I guess due to his and alex jones' fallout, but here are your links. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIAlft47bM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIAlft47bM https://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-many-questions-as-it-answers/ https://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-m... https://web.archive.org/web/20180123234120/https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/220207okcrevelations.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20180123234120/https://www.priso... https://web.archive.org/web/20170702085649/https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407blackop.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20170702085649/https://www.priso... https://web.archive.org/web/20171226050840/https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/130705teneasysteps.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20171226050840/https://www.priso...
    - coldtea 7y ago
      So, the kind of "conspiracy" you meant is speculation there is a cover up of a politician's ill health condition in the first video? That has been done time and again by all kinds of politicians and leaders, from the time of El Cid... If that's a "conspiracy theory", then sure, every journalist alluding to something not documented at the time, is a conspiracy theorist. I expected more aliens, illuminati, and lizard people. The second is merely reporting, on a well known topic of public discussion. A document was requested, it appeared, and there were people raising questions about certain aspects. Should they not be reported? Where's the conspiracy part? The others I'll give you are conspiracy theory material (though several of those kind of conspiracies (government conspiring, ordering executions, and so on), that a naive US person thinks "can never happen", have been found -- by courts and later evidence -- true in Europe time and again, just ask in Italy, Spain, France, Greece, etc. E.g: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing#Official_investigations_and_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing#Officia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigoris_Lambrakis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigoris_Lambrakis That said, those are from like 10 years ago or more? I'm familiar with his YouTube stuff and I don't see much conspiracy stuff there.
faissaloo 7y ago
Thunderf00t just hates SJWs, he's not right wing in the slightest. Stefan Molymeme on the other hand is literally alt-right and believes in race 'realism'.