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"By the time Zuckerberg purchased the surrounding acres in 2014, the title to the four parcels was divided between hundreds of descendants." I just don't see h

by Maro 7y ago

"By the time Zuckerberg purchased the surrounding acres in 2014, the title to the four parcels was divided between hundreds of descendants." I just don't see how MZ is in the wrong trying to sort out ownership and purchase, for a presumably fair price, such a piece of land.

samcday 7y ago
I really don't want this to come across as rude, but consider this. Your comment is pretty extreme capitalism apologia. You don't have to be a complete socialist to reasonably consider the idea that maybe a private individual being able to use their power to seize any land they want, points to some major problems in the current social system you have. I don't want this necessarily to get super political though, so if I've stepped over a line feel free to vote me down into oblivion :) I just think stories like this are interesting because if you put down your ideaologies and look at the situation you realize nobody is right, but there's some obvious policy changes that are necessary.
- gtfratteus 7y ago
  He bought the land for more than fair value. He didn't seize anything.
  - krustyburger 7y ago
    I seized a really nice dinner tonight. Don’t worry, my server seized 20% of the total bill from me.
close04 7y ago
Yeah, I was surprised to find out that anyone submitting a legitimate bid at least %5 higher than the winning bid basically overrides the result of the already closed auction [0] . Which makes me wonder what's the purpose of an auction if you can revisit it after the fact. On another note: > Ownership of the kuleana has sparked a years-long legal dispute involving hundreds of parties that has made international headlines and prompted a public apology from the Facebook CEO, who promised to drop his pursuit of the land in a 2017 letter published in The Garden Island. [0] What’s one more broken promise when your privacy is at stake? My ability to take this guy's side morally is a purely theoretical concept at this point. [0] https://www.thegardenisland.com/2019/06/05/hawaii-news/andrade-buys-all-four-kuleana/ https://www.thegardenisland.com/2019/06/05/hawaii-news/andra...
soapdog 7y ago
Maro, I don't know if you're familiar with the whole story but when this started he used some laws to force the lands into auction against the will of the people who lived there. It is not as if he was knocking on the door, announcing a nice deal and accepting no as an answer, which even I who don't like the guy would think it is ok. He started by using a legal maneuver called "quiet title and partition" which forces under developed land into auction to the highest bidder (which will of course be him). Once he sues using this, the defendant has about 20 days to respond. Since there is a "quiet" part to this maneuver, it means you might not know what is happening until it is too late. Hawaii land laws are tricky. The history of its monarchy and its demise is heartbreaking but it helps one understand what has happened to land rights over there over time. Zuckerberg is just another rich white person, going there and doing anything necessary to secure a large estate to the detriment of natives and whoever lives there now.

by Maro 7y ago

samcday 7y ago

I really don't want this to come across as rude, but consider this. Your comment is pretty extreme capitalism apologia. You don't have to be a complete socialist to reasonably consider the idea that maybe a private individual being able to use their power to seize any land they want, points to some major problems in the current social system you have. I don't want this necessarily to get super political though, so if I've stepped over a line feel free to vote me down into oblivion :) I just think stories like this are interesting because if you put down your ideaologies and look at the situation you realize nobody is right, but there's some obvious policy changes that are necessary.

gtfratteus 7y ago
He bought the land for more than fair value. He didn't seize anything.
- krustyburger 7y ago
  I seized a really nice dinner tonight. Don’t worry, my server seized 20% of the total bill from me.

close04 7y ago

Yeah, I was surprised to find out that anyone submitting a legitimate bid at least %5 higher than the winning bid basically overrides the result of the already closed auction [0] . Which makes me wonder what's the purpose of an auction if you can revisit it after the fact. On another note: > Ownership of the kuleana has sparked a years-long legal dispute involving hundreds of parties that has made international headlines and prompted a public apology from the Facebook CEO, who promised to drop his pursuit of the land in a 2017 letter published in The Garden Island. [0] What’s one more broken promise when your privacy is at stake? My ability to take this guy's side morally is a purely theoretical concept at this point. [0] https://www.thegardenisland.com/2019/06/05/hawaii-news/andrade-buys-all-four-kuleana/ https://www.thegardenisland.com/2019/06/05/hawaii-news/andra...

soapdog 7y ago

Maro, I don't know if you're familiar with the whole story but when this started he used some laws to force the lands into auction against the will of the people who lived there. It is not as if he was knocking on the door, announcing a nice deal and accepting no as an answer, which even I who don't like the guy would think it is ok. He started by using a legal maneuver called "quiet title and partition" which forces under developed land into auction to the highest bidder (which will of course be him). Once he sues using this, the defendant has about 20 days to respond. Since there is a "quiet" part to this maneuver, it means you might not know what is happening until it is too late. Hawaii land laws are tricky. The history of its monarchy and its demise is heartbreaking but it helps one understand what has happened to land rights over there over time. Zuckerberg is just another rich white person, going there and doing anything necessary to secure a large estate to the detriment of natives and whoever lives there now.