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Any news on Swift for Tensorflow? I’m skeptical of how much practical benefit it will provide but still willing to take a look at it. There doesn’t seem to be

Any news on Swift for Tensorflow? I’m skeptical of how much practical benefit it will provide but still willing to take a look at it. There doesn’t seem to be any mention of it here.

panpanna 7y ago
From what I understand this is mostly because they hired the Swift guy. I understand the benefits compared to Python (although I would have preferred Go or Kotlin). But what happens when the guy eventually moves on in a year or two?
- favorited 7y ago
  Google's making a big investment in Swift, so if Chris left and they were interested in continuing to support it they shouldn't have a problem. I've gone to Swift on the Server conferences hosted/sponsored by Google, their (non-TF) Swift teams are building some cool Swift tools, etc.
  - panpanna 7y ago
    Google is a Go shop, specially when it comes to servers. Swift is not properly supported on linux, which is Google's main platforms.
    - favorited 7y ago
      Google is not at all a Go shop. Google is a C++ shop, especially when it comes to servers.
      - panpanna 7y ago
        (that contradicts your earlier comment) Google has been gradually moving away from C++ and Java since 2012. See this quora post with multiple references from Google employees. https://www.quora.com/How-is-Go-used-at-Google-What-could-be-areas-specific-systems-applications-in-which-Go-could-replace-other-languages-used-nowadays-inside-Google-and-why-would-it-make-sense-to-introduce-Go-in-place-of-another-language https://www.quora.com/How-is-Go-used-at-Google-What-could-be...
        pjmlp 7y ago
        That is not what their employees talk about at CppCon, LLVM conferences, ISO C++ meetings, Java Language Summit (yes they come around in spite of Android). Go is mostly a Docker/Kubernetes thing.
        favorited 7y ago
        The fact that most Google code is C++ does not at all contradict that they are invested in Swift.
    - bge0 7y ago
      This is incorrect; swift is open source and has linux deployments : https://swift.org/download/ https://swift.org/download/
      - panpanna 7y ago
        Linux support is still WIP. Some parts are missing
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Google is a more of C++/LLVM, Java/Kotlin, Python shop, than Go one. You will even notice that it is seldom supported when they announce new server products SDKs.
mark_l_watson 7y ago
I have spent a few evenings playing with early releases. I like the ‘turtles all the way down’ idea, but I am waiting to see more mature releases. I have spent much more time with TensirFlowJS that works well, has many great examples.

Any news on Swift for Tensorflow? I’m skeptical of how much practical benefit it will provide but still willing to take a look at it. There doesn’t seem to be any mention of it here.

panpanna 7y ago

From what I understand this is mostly because they hired the Swift guy. I understand the benefits compared to Python (although I would have preferred Go or Kotlin). But what happens when the guy eventually moves on in a year or two?

favorited 7y ago
Google's making a big investment in Swift, so if Chris left and they were interested in continuing to support it they shouldn't have a problem. I've gone to Swift on the Server conferences hosted/sponsored by Google, their (non-TF) Swift teams are building some cool Swift tools, etc.
- panpanna 7y ago
  Google is a Go shop, specially when it comes to servers. Swift is not properly supported on linux, which is Google's main platforms.
  - favorited 7y ago
    Google is not at all a Go shop. Google is a C++ shop, especially when it comes to servers.
    - panpanna 7y ago
      (that contradicts your earlier comment) Google has been gradually moving away from C++ and Java since 2012. See this quora post with multiple references from Google employees. https://www.quora.com/How-is-Go-used-at-Google-What-could-be-areas-specific-systems-applications-in-which-Go-could-replace-other-languages-used-nowadays-inside-Google-and-why-would-it-make-sense-to-introduce-Go-in-place-of-another-language https://www.quora.com/How-is-Go-used-at-Google-What-could-be...
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        That is not what their employees talk about at CppCon, LLVM conferences, ISO C++ meetings, Java Language Summit (yes they come around in spite of Android). Go is mostly a Docker/Kubernetes thing.
      - favorited 7y ago
        The fact that most Google code is C++ does not at all contradict that they are invested in Swift.
  - bge0 7y ago
    This is incorrect; swift is open source and has linux deployments : https://swift.org/download/ https://swift.org/download/
    - panpanna 7y ago
      Linux support is still WIP. Some parts are missing
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Google is a more of C++/LLVM, Java/Kotlin, Python shop, than Go one. You will even notice that it is seldom supported when they announce new server products SDKs.

mark_l_watson 7y ago

I have spent a few evenings playing with early releases. I like the ‘turtles all the way down’ idea, but I am waiting to see more mature releases. I have spent much more time with TensirFlowJS that works well, has many great examples.