>Time spent doing DIY stuff is by definition spending time with your family if you encourage the kiddos to join in and learn something. DIY is not "by definiti

>Time spent doing DIY stuff is by definition spending time with your family if you encourage the kiddos to join in and learn something. DIY is not "by definition" spending time with your family... It "by definition" is "Do it yourself". Not "Do it yourself, with your family". That's a big "if" you have there. >No, if a man has done it, a man can learn to do it. Sometimes it takes a bit of mucking around at first, but the key thing is persevere. I don't think anyone is claiming they can't learn. They would just rather not learn that specific skill, and instead use their time for something else - which very well might be a different skill. What is wrong with that? And you can't really be asserting that claim when it comes to everything in life. No matter how much I persevere, there are things you can't just learn through "mucking around a bit" or solely through self "experimentation, research, perseverence and basic safety". I'm not trusting any doctor that wants to operate on me, who learned it from Mom or Dad by being taught the foundations of "all professional work" or because they were "mucking around" for awhile.