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How about "take nothing" instead of "take less"? No PII should be "taken" anywhere. They're a browser -- a platform -- and as such they should be taking great s

How about "take nothing" instead of "take less"? No PII should be "taken" anywhere. They're a browser -- a platform -- and as such they should be taking great strides to prevent collection of anything at all by applications running on that platform.

lucideer 7y ago
Tbh, I don't have as big an issue with Mozilla "taking" lots and lots of my PII as I do with Mozilla sending data about me to 3rd-parties. That is unfortunately not alluded to directly at all in this promise. In fact, for an org championing privacy, one would expect them to at the very least be compliant with something like the GDPR. However, the privacy link[0] in the footer of their website lists data to 3rd-parties by default and describes (pretty non-straighforward) methods to opt-out of each of these individually, rather than the normally required explicit consent of GDPR. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/#cookies https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/#cookies
dblohm7 7y ago
Most of the data that is collected by Mozilla is not PII. See our data collection guidelines: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection
- mondoshawan 7y ago
  It's good and all that you have a policy, but the fact remains that you have the ability to make exceptions for collecting PII in category 4. That's what I mean by "don't collect" -- this stuff isn't your data. Get your mitts off it.
  - sciurus 7y ago
    You make it sound like we could decide to have Firefox collect your PII without your consent. We won't. The standards for the collection of category 4 data are "Default off. May be eligible for opt-in data collection by specific users, provided there is (i) advance user notice (ii) consent and (iii) an opt-out." The only collection of this data that I'm personally aware of is the Firefox Pioneer program. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-firefox-pioneer https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-firefox-pioneer (Disclosure: I work for Mozilla)
- seieste 7y ago
  If the data differs between users, then it can be PII — this is confirmed by the fact that browser fingerprinting works.
  - dblohm7 7y ago
    Fingerprinting works because the sites link that fingerprint back to an identifiable individual.

lucideer 7y ago

Tbh, I don't have as big an issue with Mozilla "taking" lots and lots of my PII as I do with Mozilla sending data about me to 3rd-parties. That is unfortunately not alluded to directly at all in this promise. In fact, for an org championing privacy, one would expect them to at the very least be compliant with something like the GDPR. However, the privacy link[0] in the footer of their website lists data to 3rd-parties by default and describes (pretty non-straighforward) methods to opt-out of each of these individually, rather than the normally required explicit consent of GDPR. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/#cookies https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/#cookies

dblohm7 7y ago

Most of the data that is collected by Mozilla is not PII. See our data collection guidelines: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection

mondoshawan 7y ago
It's good and all that you have a policy, but the fact remains that you have the ability to make exceptions for collecting PII in category 4. That's what I mean by "don't collect" -- this stuff isn't your data. Get your mitts off it.
- sciurus 7y ago
  You make it sound like we could decide to have Firefox collect your PII without your consent. We won't. The standards for the collection of category 4 data are "Default off. May be eligible for opt-in data collection by specific users, provided there is (i) advance user notice (ii) consent and (iii) an opt-out." The only collection of this data that I'm personally aware of is the Firefox Pioneer program. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-firefox-pioneer https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-firefox-pioneer (Disclosure: I work for Mozilla)
seieste 7y ago
If the data differs between users, then it can be PII — this is confirmed by the fact that browser fingerprinting works.
- dblohm7 7y ago
  Fingerprinting works because the sites link that fingerprint back to an identifiable individual.