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State of the climate: Heat across Earth’s surface and oceans mark early 2019

61 points by perfunctory 7y ago

basicplus2 7y ago
<on track to be either the second or third warmest since records began in the mid-1800s, behind only 2016 and possibly 2017> Soo.. cooler than mid 1800's and getting cooler averall since 2016-17
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  Please try not to make comments like this, as I keep breaking keyboards with my forehead and this is starting to become rather expensive.
  - sk5t 7y ago
    Only 3.6 rontgens, not great, not terrible.
    - hanniabu 7y ago
      This is basically how I see the climate change situation. Just like the chernobyl series depicted, it's scientific researchers that fully understand the matter at hand trying to convey how serious of a situation we are in and others just being all handwavy saying they're overreacting and such.
inflatableDodo 7y ago
Great. Well, if we aren't going to restrict CO2 and methane emissions any, can we at least agree to legalise all drugs for the going away party. edit - I am only half joking. The war on drugs is not noted for its logical underpinnings, but if it has any, they are largely predicated on worrying about future consequences. If our official political stance is going to be 'yolo, fuck the future consequences', we may as well be consistent.
perfunctory 7y ago
> Ocean heat content (OHC) set a new record in early 2019 > In many ways, OHC represents a much better measure of climate change than global average surface temperatures. It is where most of the extra heat ends up and is much less variable on a year-to-year basis than surface temperatures. Most years set a new record for OHC and 2019 has been no exception so far, with the first three months showing the warmest OHC since records began. > Changes in the amount or rate of warming are much easier to detect in the OHC record than on the surface. For example, OHC shows little evidence of the slowdown in warming in the mid-2000s, seen in surface temperature records.
- southern_cross 7y ago
  Have you seen recent claims that scientists can detect temperature changes of as little as 1/1000th of a degree in the deep ocean, occurring over a period of several decades? Are you gullible enough to believe such claims? I'm not.
  - perfunctory 7y ago
    > Have you seen recent claims No, I haven't.
magnamerc 7y ago
Last weekend I overhead two older gentlemen talking about climate change. They were both agreeing with each other that it's all 'cyclical' and that clearly there are businesses that stand to benefit from climate change research. This is in Canada btw. I don't know how you convince these people. Luckily, they're on their way out, but they still represent a large portion of the voting population for at least the next decade. Do we need more intense floods and forest fires every single year until they finally admit that maybe there's something to this climate thing?
- agentultra 7y ago
  Whether they believe it or not it's happening. I think we need stronger policies that cannot be swayed by public opinion or we're screwed. There's no room for error at this point.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    >I think we need stronger policies that cannot be swayed by public opinion I don't like where that path leads. I mean, you're not wrong that it would be able to solve the problem faster but I don't think the end justifies the means.
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      >"I don't like where that path leads." It led to not allowing the Californian public to vote both for tax cuts and increases in public spending, unless there is a budget surplus. It also led to the UK not having the death penalty.
    - ptah 7y ago
      not everything should be decided democratically. a balance with bureaucracy is good
      - abduhl 7y ago
        Is there a place where I can find the list of things that should be decided democratically versus not?

61 points by perfunctory 7y ago

<on track to be either the second or third warmest since records began in the mid-1800s, behind only 2016 and possibly 2017> Soo.. cooler than mid 1800's and getting cooler averall since 2016-17

inflatableDodo 7y ago
Please try not to make comments like this, as I keep breaking keyboards with my forehead and this is starting to become rather expensive.
- sk5t 7y ago
  Only 3.6 rontgens, not great, not terrible.
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    This is basically how I see the climate change situation. Just like the chernobyl series depicted, it's scientific researchers that fully understand the matter at hand trying to convey how serious of a situation we are in and others just being all handwavy saying they're overreacting and such.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

Great. Well, if we aren't going to restrict CO2 and methane emissions any, can we at least agree to legalise all drugs for the going away party. edit - I am only half joking. The war on drugs is not noted for its logical underpinnings, but if it has any, they are largely predicated on worrying about future consequences. If our official political stance is going to be 'yolo, fuck the future consequences', we may as well be consistent.

perfunctory 7y ago

> Ocean heat content (OHC) set a new record in early 2019 > In many ways, OHC represents a much better measure of climate change than global average surface temperatures. It is where most of the extra heat ends up and is much less variable on a year-to-year basis than surface temperatures. Most years set a new record for OHC and 2019 has been no exception so far, with the first three months showing the warmest OHC since records began. > Changes in the amount or rate of warming are much easier to detect in the OHC record than on the surface. For example, OHC shows little evidence of the slowdown in warming in the mid-2000s, seen in surface temperature records.

southern_cross 7y ago
Have you seen recent claims that scientists can detect temperature changes of as little as 1/1000th of a degree in the deep ocean, occurring over a period of several decades? Are you gullible enough to believe such claims? I'm not.
- perfunctory 7y ago
  > Have you seen recent claims No, I haven't.

magnamerc 7y ago

Last weekend I overhead two older gentlemen talking about climate change. They were both agreeing with each other that it's all 'cyclical' and that clearly there are businesses that stand to benefit from climate change research. This is in Canada btw. I don't know how you convince these people. Luckily, they're on their way out, but they still represent a large portion of the voting population for at least the next decade. Do we need more intense floods and forest fires every single year until they finally admit that maybe there's something to this climate thing?

agentultra 7y ago
Whether they believe it or not it's happening. I think we need stronger policies that cannot be swayed by public opinion or we're screwed. There's no room for error at this point.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >I think we need stronger policies that cannot be swayed by public opinion I don't like where that path leads. I mean, you're not wrong that it would be able to solve the problem faster but I don't think the end justifies the means.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    >"I don't like where that path leads." It led to not allowing the Californian public to vote both for tax cuts and increases in public spending, unless there is a budget surplus. It also led to the UK not having the death penalty.
  - ptah 7y ago
    not everything should be decided democratically. a balance with bureaucracy is good
    - abduhl 7y ago
      Is there a place where I can find the list of things that should be decided democratically versus not?