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Yeah, we get it, you're lazy, can't be arsed, you want someone else to do the work. We like configurability, decentralization, freedom of choice. We are differe

Yeah, we get it, you're lazy, can't be arsed, you want someone else to do the work. We like configurability, decentralization, freedom of choice. We are different people. We will never agree. I suspect your kind outnumbers my kind by about 99 to 1.

afarrell 7y ago
> we get it, you’re lazy If another user asks a question, and you are apathetic or bored of the answers to that question, thats fine. You’re allowed to have different preferences and not obligated to care about others’ preferences. But I implore you not to respond with an insult to an answerer as if they’d barged in with an unsolicited opinion.
WilliamEdward 7y ago
Yup. This was the exact reaction I expected to see on HN. Somehow, you're never welcome if you ever take an easy approach. I'm sorry i don't force feed myself nails for breakfast to get an extra dose of iron like you do, but forgive me for thinking there must be some sort of way where you can have both open source AND modern features! Wow, what a new concept for you hackers who just can't help but do everything the hard way even if it's totally unnecessary. For what it's worth, I do some things the hard way. I like digging into the nitty gritty. I'm not a different species. The fact that you think I am is the reason you'd never get any middle ground accomplished. Being "outnumbered 99 to 1" not only reveals how you think of yourself as some kind of victim, but also implies that you exist in some strange reality where being in the minority is the 'right' side to be on. Funny, usually it's the opposite. I just don't get it. Why, why can't we have both? Why is decentralised, open source, configurable, modern and easy impossible to achieve all at once?
- afarrell 7y ago
  https://zulipchat.com/ https://zulipchat.com/ Is open source and has lots of modern features like support for threading.
- astazangasta 7y ago
  It isn't impossible. It just isn't Slack. Slack is a service offered by a private company. You want to have it easy by consuming a service; I want to slog through the mess of setting up things. One of these things is on the path to "decentralised, open source, configurable, modern and easy". The other is not. I leave it to you to ponder which is which.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
  > I just don't get it. Why, why can't we have both? Why is decentralised, open source, configurable, modern and easy impossible to achieve all at once? Because you don't do it. If anyone who wants a different user experience than IRC chooses to use a proprietary system, then how do you expect that user experience to come about as Free Software?
- mitsakos 7y ago
  > I'm not a different species. Yes, you are. You are his potential customer on this specific thing. It's just that he doesn't care about providing you with what you want to buy.
- kuschku 7y ago
  How do you expect to be able to set up a server with a click of a button, without paying for it, without hosting it yourself, to work without SaaS? What you want is a predatorily priced VC funded SaaS that only offers this cheap service to get you into their ecosystem. It's not possible to do this in a self-sustaining way. Ofc you can use IRCCloud Teams, create servers with one click, but also pay for that. And what other modern features ate you looking for? This is IRC today: https://quasseldroid.info/assets/images/phone.png https://quasseldroid.info/assets/images/phone.png and emoji reactions, typing notifiers as well as threads are already supported in some clients and being standardized.
  - afarrell 7y ago
    I can’t quite tell from that screenshot: is there an IRC client that supports newlines and where you have some indication of whether the other clients support newlines? The inability to structure text visually is my biggest reason for avoiding IRC.
    - kuschku 7y ago
      Many newer clients group messages that follow right after another as if they were one message with line breaks, this is one of them :)
mitsakos 7y ago
Their kind is your (potential?) customer actually. It's just that you don't care to wrap up your infrastructure in a nice packaged and heavily marketed solution and charge them for it.

afarrell 7y ago

> we get it, you’re lazy If another user asks a question, and you are apathetic or bored of the answers to that question, thats fine. You’re allowed to have different preferences and not obligated to care about others’ preferences. But I implore you not to respond with an insult to an answerer as if they’d barged in with an unsolicited opinion.

WilliamEdward 7y ago

Yup. This was the exact reaction I expected to see on HN. Somehow, you're never welcome if you ever take an easy approach. I'm sorry i don't force feed myself nails for breakfast to get an extra dose of iron like you do, but forgive me for thinking there must be some sort of way where you can have both open source AND modern features! Wow, what a new concept for you hackers who just can't help but do everything the hard way even if it's totally unnecessary. For what it's worth, I do some things the hard way. I like digging into the nitty gritty. I'm not a different species. The fact that you think I am is the reason you'd never get any middle ground accomplished. Being "outnumbered 99 to 1" not only reveals how you think of yourself as some kind of victim, but also implies that you exist in some strange reality where being in the minority is the 'right' side to be on. Funny, usually it's the opposite. I just don't get it. Why, why can't we have both? Why is decentralised, open source, configurable, modern and easy impossible to achieve all at once?

afarrell 7y ago
https://zulipchat.com/ https://zulipchat.com/ Is open source and has lots of modern features like support for threading.
astazangasta 7y ago
It isn't impossible. It just isn't Slack. Slack is a service offered by a private company. You want to have it easy by consuming a service; I want to slog through the mess of setting up things. One of these things is on the path to "decentralised, open source, configurable, modern and easy". The other is not. I leave it to you to ponder which is which.
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 7y ago
> I just don't get it. Why, why can't we have both? Why is decentralised, open source, configurable, modern and easy impossible to achieve all at once? Because you don't do it. If anyone who wants a different user experience than IRC chooses to use a proprietary system, then how do you expect that user experience to come about as Free Software?
mitsakos 7y ago
> I'm not a different species. Yes, you are. You are his potential customer on this specific thing. It's just that he doesn't care about providing you with what you want to buy.
kuschku 7y ago
How do you expect to be able to set up a server with a click of a button, without paying for it, without hosting it yourself, to work without SaaS? What you want is a predatorily priced VC funded SaaS that only offers this cheap service to get you into their ecosystem. It's not possible to do this in a self-sustaining way. Ofc you can use IRCCloud Teams, create servers with one click, but also pay for that. And what other modern features ate you looking for? This is IRC today: https://quasseldroid.info/assets/images/phone.png https://quasseldroid.info/assets/images/phone.png and emoji reactions, typing notifiers as well as threads are already supported in some clients and being standardized.
- afarrell 7y ago
  I can’t quite tell from that screenshot: is there an IRC client that supports newlines and where you have some indication of whether the other clients support newlines? The inability to structure text visually is my biggest reason for avoiding IRC.
  - kuschku 7y ago
    Many newer clients group messages that follow right after another as if they were one message with line breaks, this is one of them :)

mitsakos 7y ago

Their kind is your (potential?) customer actually. It's just that you don't care to wrap up your infrastructure in a nice packaged and heavily marketed solution and charge them for it.