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> She invited her readers to rejoice in cruelty. I really don't remember that having read a few books from Ayn Rand. Edit: Downvotes, can you point to an extr

> She invited her readers to rejoice in cruelty. I really don't remember that having read a few books from Ayn Rand. Edit: Downvotes, can you point to an extract that support this?

eej71 7y ago
In your defense, I'd highlight the scene where Hank carries the mortally wounded wet nurse. Or the persistent help that Roark offers to Peter whenever Peter visits him. Or the final scene between Roark and Wynand where Roark continues to extend an olive branch in the hopes of restoring the friendship.
- manifestsilence 7y ago
  The characters aren't always cruel. They just put their strict system of values before anything else, and this causes them to sometimes be cruel and antisocial. But just pointing out nice things they did without a response to the not-so-nice things is a defense on the level of Trump saying, "there are good people on both sides" about the KKK rally.
Krasnol 7y ago
You mean besides the "everybody besides the almighty hero class is stupid and ugly" meme he build Altas Shrugged upon? I assume the down votes are because nobody took your question serious as it's so obvious. Taking it for a bait. Edit: an here come the hero class for me ;)
- pwinnski 7y ago
  Ayn is a "she," not a "he."
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    That was neither intentional nor a critique of certain aspects of her writing. Just a harmless typo.
manifestsilence 7y ago
Roark rapes his future lover (but it's apparently ok because she liked it, though she gave no sign of such at the time). He blows up a building that he doesn't own. He tells his colleague who wanted to be a painter that it's too late for him, that he's wasted his life on the wrong thing and there's nothing he can do about it, without any other words of encouragement or alternative suggestions. He is always described as not caring about the emotions or reactions of anyone else. Edit: it's always couched in rhetoric about how people are supposed to be free from unnecessary worry about other peoples' problems, but she often takes it too far and causes characters to cross the line from self-actualized to selfish, and sometimes harmful to others.
- eej71 7y ago
  re: the rape scene. There is a clue as to how Dominique feels about it at the end of the scene. Recall that she draws a bath - but then never climbs in. She merely runs her fingers through the water.
  - manifestsilence 7y ago
    Yeah, but that's after, right? I'm talking about that she didn't give a sign of prior consent to him, which would affect the moral and legal status of that action.
hannasanarion 7y ago
> What are your masses [of humanity] but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it? Kira (one of the heroes) - Atlas Shrugged > The weak are unworthy of love Rand, in an interview: https://youtu.be/qL3ukTMo-0o https://youtu.be/qL3ukTMo-0o > Yes, there are elements of nonconsensual sex in that scene, but I was aware of Dominique's feelings towards Roark and to me, she internally agreed to it... It was a welcomed rape is what it was. It was a rape where both people wanted that sort of contact. Rand discussing the rape scene in The Fountainhead. The books overall are full of the heroes committing various murders, assaults, and terrorism to get back at those evil government officers who dare to give people money without demanding something in return. She also has a weird obsession with torture. http://cgpgrey.squarespace.com/blog/ayn-rand-loves-torture.html http://cgpgrey.squarespace.com/blog/ayn-rand-loves-torture.h...

> She invited her readers to rejoice in cruelty. I really don't remember that having read a few books from Ayn Rand. Edit: Downvotes, can you point to an extract that support this?

eej71 7y ago

In your defense, I'd highlight the scene where Hank carries the mortally wounded wet nurse. Or the persistent help that Roark offers to Peter whenever Peter visits him. Or the final scene between Roark and Wynand where Roark continues to extend an olive branch in the hopes of restoring the friendship.

manifestsilence 7y ago
The characters aren't always cruel. They just put their strict system of values before anything else, and this causes them to sometimes be cruel and antisocial. But just pointing out nice things they did without a response to the not-so-nice things is a defense on the level of Trump saying, "there are good people on both sides" about the KKK rally.

Krasnol 7y ago

You mean besides the "everybody besides the almighty hero class is stupid and ugly" meme he build Altas Shrugged upon? I assume the down votes are because nobody took your question serious as it's so obvious. Taking it for a bait. Edit: an here come the hero class for me ;)

pwinnski 7y ago
Ayn is a "she," not a "he."
- Krasnol 7y ago
  That was neither intentional nor a critique of certain aspects of her writing. Just a harmless typo.

manifestsilence 7y ago

Roark rapes his future lover (but it's apparently ok because she liked it, though she gave no sign of such at the time). He blows up a building that he doesn't own. He tells his colleague who wanted to be a painter that it's too late for him, that he's wasted his life on the wrong thing and there's nothing he can do about it, without any other words of encouragement or alternative suggestions. He is always described as not caring about the emotions or reactions of anyone else. Edit: it's always couched in rhetoric about how people are supposed to be free from unnecessary worry about other peoples' problems, but she often takes it too far and causes characters to cross the line from self-actualized to selfish, and sometimes harmful to others.

eej71 7y ago
re: the rape scene. There is a clue as to how Dominique feels about it at the end of the scene. Recall that she draws a bath - but then never climbs in. She merely runs her fingers through the water.
- manifestsilence 7y ago
  Yeah, but that's after, right? I'm talking about that she didn't give a sign of prior consent to him, which would affect the moral and legal status of that action.

hannasanarion 7y ago

> What are your masses [of humanity] but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it? Kira (one of the heroes) - Atlas Shrugged > The weak are unworthy of love Rand, in an interview: https://youtu.be/qL3ukTMo-0o https://youtu.be/qL3ukTMo-0o > Yes, there are elements of nonconsensual sex in that scene, but I was aware of Dominique's feelings towards Roark and to me, she internally agreed to it... It was a welcomed rape is what it was. It was a rape where both people wanted that sort of contact. Rand discussing the rape scene in The Fountainhead. The books overall are full of the heroes committing various murders, assaults, and terrorism to get back at those evil government officers who dare to give people money without demanding something in return. She also has a weird obsession with torture. http://cgpgrey.squarespace.com/blog/ayn-rand-loves-torture.html http://cgpgrey.squarespace.com/blog/ayn-rand-loves-torture.h...