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Opera 11 goes final

115 points by Kenw00t 16y ago

DupDetector 16y ago
Related: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011423 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011423 - opera.com - no comments http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011357 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011357 - arpitnext.com - no comments
joakin 16y ago
This is a great browser, and the competition is always good for the users. For me it was easier when the only choice was hating IE and going for Firefox, right now i struggle between my emotions to use one or other wonderful browser as my main one... When firefox 4 comes its going to be even harder...
- SkyMarshal 16y ago
  Heh, same. I've been cycling b/t Opera, Chrome, Chromium, and FF for years now. Right now I'm stuck on FF b/c Vimperator is so awesome, but now that Opera 11 can have full-fledged extensions, that might change. Or, maybe not since FF4 is shaping up to be amazing too.
budman 16y ago
The Best. Been a big fan of Opera browser for a long time now. There was a minor speed bump of bugs when 10.x first came out but starting at 10.10 it has been top notch. Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user. Speed is right there with Chrome, built in mail/rss and now with the 11.x extensions there is no more excuses to try it. The little browser that could.
- StavrosK 16y ago
  The only feature that was missing was autocomplete for textboxes, and now I found an extension to do it. Opera is finally complete!
  - randlet 16y ago
    The killer feature that kept me using Chrome before was the automatic page translations. There's a nice extension to do that now in Opera too and I am now very very happy with Opera.
- siddhant 16y ago
  > Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user From what I feel, the average user doesn't spend much time learning a software's nuances. They just want to use the first thing that works in the first go.
  - w1ntermute 16y ago
    And from what I feel, the average Hacker News user is not the average user, so budman's comment is quite relevant in the context of this site.
- Ennis 16y ago
  "built in mail/rss" I was an Opera evangelist for many years but all the extra bundled apps I never use finally pushed me to chrome.
  - gizmomagico 16y ago
    I keep hearing rumours they don't even load if you don't use them..
  - scythe 16y ago
    The RSS is good, the Opera mail is good... the IRC and bittorrent, on the other hand, are not very good at all, which is sad, because it would be very nice if they were!
jm4 16y ago
This is kind of off topic, but the Opera system tray icon drives me nuts and it is probably driving someone else nuts too. For whatever reason, the /notrayicon switch does not work for me after I upgraded. I'm not sure if previous versions have this, but in this one you can disable the tray icon via opera:config. Paste opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowTrayIcon in the address bar, uncheck, save and restart.
- oconnore 16y ago
  Every OS I have ever used has a way to hide system tray icons. Windows has had this since 98, both Gnome and KDE have it, and OSX has it. What is the problem exactly? And how are you so annoyed by a 16x16 pixel red O? Please never try to drive in NYC...
  - mcrittenden 16y ago
    It's annoying to me too. I can't just hide all my tray icons because I need some of them, and the red O makes my desktop/theme look crappy since all the other icons are white (using GNOME with Orta theme + Faenza icons).
    - oconnore 16y ago
      Yes, I understand that. You can configure the system tray to hide icons from specific programs. That way you have every icon except for Opera. The program need not include an option to hide it. Right click > Properties
      - thwarted 16y ago
        There is no "properties" setting for the Notification Area applet in Gnome (at least in version 2.32.0.2, which is what ships with Fedora 14), which is what the commenter you responded to said he was using.
        oconnore 16y ago
pierrefar 16y ago
Be careful: I just installed it and it decided it will be my default browser and take over the file associations (.htm, .html, .xhtml) and protocol associations from Firefox. I thought we left this kind of crappy warfare in the late 90s.
- johkra 16y ago
  In the first screen you have to click on "Options" to change this. I like the streamlined installation process, but the options are indeed very easy to overlook.
  - pierrefar 16y ago
    Thanks. I clearly missed that. The after-the-fact way is to use the Windows defaults tool, a Good Thing to emerge from the defaults wars.
LordGodd 16y ago
I was excited about this, however after 5 minutes of use it seems more buggy than the beta. Guess I'm excited for 11.0.1 now.
iwwr 16y ago
First bug so far: opening yahoo mail hyperlinks stalls forever in the current tab. It is fixed by opening all links in new tabs. Anyway, the built-in adblock is top-notch.
benologist 16y ago
I switched to Chrome a couple weeks ago, I really love Opera and have used it for years, but it reached the point where it would take a full minute or two just to end the process after I closed the browser and 30+ seconds just to open it the first time. Drove me nuts, only happens on my desktop at least.
- clojurerocks 16y ago
  I recently switched to chrome from firefox as well for a similiar reason. Browsers are just getting too bloated. Although i just looked at their video demonstration of tab stacking which looks really cool. The problem is opera was even slow in the video which doesnt really make me want to use it.
yantramanav 16y ago
Indic fonts are broken in both on Linux and Windows versions. Disappointment :( back to good old Firefox
revorad 16y ago
I want to try and love Opera, but every time I try it out something goes wrong. Now, installing on Ubuntu I get: "Error: Breaks exisiting package 'opera-static' conflict: opera ( )"
- colanderman 16y ago
  Try removing opera-static first.
  - clojurerocks 16y ago
    Did you uninstall opera first?
    - mapleoin 16y ago
      you shouldn't need to do that manually. That's what package managers are for: handling updates and uninstalling old software in favor of the new version.
jodrellblank 16y ago
Install Opera 11, visit intranet page, get prompted for password. Search NTLM in config, it's got one option which is enabled. (That Chrome for business blog post yesterday got me to retry Chrome which supports NTLM automatically by default). Close opera, uninstall. Uninstall prompts that it crashed while editing preferences (it didn't) and offers to send a crash report. I wonder if I could get a job as a software tester? I always hit bizarro behaviour just trying to use software normally.
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- SkyMarshal 16y ago
  As soon as you became a tester all the bizarro behavior would probably stop. I know this from experience :)
GeneralMaximus 16y ago
After upgrading, it kept freezing every time I started it. Turns out it was choking on the Google Body Browser tab. Quickly switching to Body Browser and closing the tab before it could load prevented it from freezing again, but it's not a permanent fix, or something I should be expected to do every time a tab becomes unresponsive. There ought to be a way to detect and kill unresponsive tabs.
pkamb 16y ago
After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" button of the next tab ends up exactly under your mouse pointer. This is such a nice and natural feature that you forget there was any alternative. Firefox and Opera both get this so wrong.
- G_Wen 16y ago
  This is interesting I have my tabs placed to the left and it works fine. When the tabs are placed at the top however they cannot be clicked on from the edge of the screen. Placing the tabs on the left has always made sense to me since most websites are designed for resolutions that are far smaller than 1920 pixels. The real real estate is the vertical space. Placing the tabs on the left also allows me to have a small preview of the page without waiting for the mouse over. I understand this solution is not for everyone. Opera seems to listen to the community relatively closely so hopefully these two issues can be solved in a future patch (or maybe even an extension).
  - pkamb 16y ago
    Yeah I've submitted bug reports about the tab-clicking thing, but their response has always been "but how else would the user drag the window!?!". Stupid. I'd love to see the metrics on how often users drag a full-screen window vs. how often they click a tab.
- SkyMarshal 16y ago
  Opera lets you bypass the anachronistic 'tab' metaphor completely: http://imgur.com/XuMkx.png http://imgur.com/XuMkx.png Use Ctrl-Tab to switch between tabs the same way you Alt-Tab between windows. Close a tab with Ctrl-F4, similar to closing windows with Alt-F4. Firefox with Vimperator does even better - t to open a tab to a url or search string, d to close a tab, Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p to tab between them. Of course, Chrome's Vim extension replicates similar functionality. Either way, reducing mouse-keyboard context-switching is useful.
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hexiumvii 16y ago
I've been a fan since Opera fit on a floppy disk (3 or 4)? It has always been the fastest browser, except for the stinch in 9 and parts of 10. I've always had it installed and would use it along Chrome, FF, Flock. Eleven is just wonderful. Its fast as lighting, you can try this test, load up like 20 pages and close it. Now open it again, no 30 seconds of waiting for it to crunch it all up like in FF. Amazing! It also seems to respond more like it did from 6 and below where back mean truly instant redraw. Bravo Opera. Now we just need some extensions...

115 points by Kenw00t 16y ago

Related: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011423 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011423 - opera.com - no comments http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011357 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2011357 - arpitnext.com - no comments

joakin 16y ago

This is a great browser, and the competition is always good for the users. For me it was easier when the only choice was hating IE and going for Firefox, right now i struggle between my emotions to use one or other wonderful browser as my main one... When firefox 4 comes its going to be even harder...

SkyMarshal 16y ago
Heh, same. I've been cycling b/t Opera, Chrome, Chromium, and FF for years now. Right now I'm stuck on FF b/c Vimperator is so awesome, but now that Opera 11 can have full-fledged extensions, that might change. Or, maybe not since FF4 is shaping up to be amazing too.

budman 16y ago

The Best. Been a big fan of Opera browser for a long time now. There was a minor speed bump of bugs when 10.x first came out but starting at 10.10 it has been top notch. Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user. Speed is right there with Chrome, built in mail/rss and now with the 11.x extensions there is no more excuses to try it. The little browser that could.

StavrosK 16y ago
The only feature that was missing was autocomplete for textboxes, and now I found an extension to do it. Opera is finally complete!
- randlet 16y ago
  The killer feature that kept me using Chrome before was the automatic page translations. There's a nice extension to do that now in Opera too and I am now very very happy with Opera.
siddhant 16y ago
> Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user From what I feel, the average user doesn't spend much time learning a software's nuances. They just want to use the first thing that works in the first go.
- w1ntermute 16y ago
  And from what I feel, the average Hacker News user is not the average user, so budman's comment is quite relevant in the context of this site.
Ennis 16y ago
"built in mail/rss" I was an Opera evangelist for many years but all the extra bundled apps I never use finally pushed me to chrome.
- gizmomagico 16y ago
  I keep hearing rumours they don't even load if you don't use them..
- scythe 16y ago
  The RSS is good, the Opera mail is good... the IRC and bittorrent, on the other hand, are not very good at all, which is sad, because it would be very nice if they were!

jm4 16y ago

This is kind of off topic, but the Opera system tray icon drives me nuts and it is probably driving someone else nuts too. For whatever reason, the /notrayicon switch does not work for me after I upgraded. I'm not sure if previous versions have this, but in this one you can disable the tray icon via opera:config. Paste opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowTrayIcon in the address bar, uncheck, save and restart.

oconnore 16y ago
Every OS I have ever used has a way to hide system tray icons. Windows has had this since 98, both Gnome and KDE have it, and OSX has it. What is the problem exactly? And how are you so annoyed by a 16x16 pixel red O? Please never try to drive in NYC...
- mcrittenden 16y ago
  It's annoying to me too. I can't just hide all my tray icons because I need some of them, and the red O makes my desktop/theme look crappy since all the other icons are white (using GNOME with Orta theme + Faenza icons).
  - oconnore 16y ago
    Yes, I understand that. You can configure the system tray to hide icons from specific programs. That way you have every icon except for Opera. The program need not include an option to hide it. Right click > Properties
    - thwarted 16y ago
      There is no "properties" setting for the Notification Area applet in Gnome (at least in version 2.32.0.2, which is what ships with Fedora 14), which is what the commenter you responded to said he was using.
      - oconnore 16y ago

pierrefar 16y ago

Be careful: I just installed it and it decided it will be my default browser and take over the file associations (.htm, .html, .xhtml) and protocol associations from Firefox. I thought we left this kind of crappy warfare in the late 90s.

johkra 16y ago
In the first screen you have to click on "Options" to change this. I like the streamlined installation process, but the options are indeed very easy to overlook.
- pierrefar 16y ago
  Thanks. I clearly missed that. The after-the-fact way is to use the Windows defaults tool, a Good Thing to emerge from the defaults wars.

LordGodd 16y ago

I was excited about this, however after 5 minutes of use it seems more buggy than the beta. Guess I'm excited for 11.0.1 now.

iwwr 16y ago

First bug so far: opening yahoo mail hyperlinks stalls forever in the current tab. It is fixed by opening all links in new tabs. Anyway, the built-in adblock is top-notch.

benologist 16y ago

I switched to Chrome a couple weeks ago, I really love Opera and have used it for years, but it reached the point where it would take a full minute or two just to end the process after I closed the browser and 30+ seconds just to open it the first time. Drove me nuts, only happens on my desktop at least.

clojurerocks 16y ago
I recently switched to chrome from firefox as well for a similiar reason. Browsers are just getting too bloated. Although i just looked at their video demonstration of tab stacking which looks really cool. The problem is opera was even slow in the video which doesnt really make me want to use it.

yantramanav 16y ago

Indic fonts are broken in both on Linux and Windows versions. Disappointment :( back to good old Firefox

revorad 16y ago

I want to try and love Opera, but every time I try it out something goes wrong. Now, installing on Ubuntu I get: "Error: Breaks exisiting package 'opera-static' conflict: opera ( )"

colanderman 16y ago
Try removing opera-static first.
- clojurerocks 16y ago
  Did you uninstall opera first?
  - mapleoin 16y ago
    you shouldn't need to do that manually. That's what package managers are for: handling updates and uninstalling old software in favor of the new version.

jodrellblank 16y ago

Install Opera 11, visit intranet page, get prompted for password. Search NTLM in config, it's got one option which is enabled. (That Chrome for business blog post yesterday got me to retry Chrome which supports NTLM automatically by default). Close opera, uninstall. Uninstall prompts that it crashed while editing preferences (it didn't) and offers to send a crash report. I wonder if I could get a job as a software tester? I always hit bizarro behaviour just trying to use software normally.

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SkyMarshal 16y ago
As soon as you became a tester all the bizarro behavior would probably stop. I know this from experience :)

GeneralMaximus 16y ago

After upgrading, it kept freezing every time I started it. Turns out it was choking on the Google Body Browser tab. Quickly switching to Body Browser and closing the tab before it could load prevented it from freezing again, but it's not a permanent fix, or something I should be expected to do every time a tab becomes unresponsive. There ought to be a way to detect and kill unresponsive tabs.

pkamb 16y ago

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" button of the next tab ends up exactly under your mouse pointer. This is such a nice and natural feature that you forget there was any alternative. Firefox and Opera both get this so wrong.

G_Wen 16y ago
This is interesting I have my tabs placed to the left and it works fine. When the tabs are placed at the top however they cannot be clicked on from the edge of the screen. Placing the tabs on the left has always made sense to me since most websites are designed for resolutions that are far smaller than 1920 pixels. The real real estate is the vertical space. Placing the tabs on the left also allows me to have a small preview of the page without waiting for the mouse over. I understand this solution is not for everyone. Opera seems to listen to the community relatively closely so hopefully these two issues can be solved in a future patch (or maybe even an extension).
- pkamb 16y ago
  Yeah I've submitted bug reports about the tab-clicking thing, but their response has always been "but how else would the user drag the window!?!". Stupid. I'd love to see the metrics on how often users drag a full-screen window vs. how often they click a tab.
SkyMarshal 16y ago
Opera lets you bypass the anachronistic 'tab' metaphor completely: http://imgur.com/XuMkx.png http://imgur.com/XuMkx.png Use Ctrl-Tab to switch between tabs the same way you Alt-Tab between windows. Close a tab with Ctrl-F4, similar to closing windows with Alt-F4. Firefox with Vimperator does even better - t to open a tab to a url or search string, d to close a tab, Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p to tab between them. Of course, Chrome's Vim extension replicates similar functionality. Either way, reducing mouse-keyboard context-switching is useful.

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hexiumvii 16y ago

I've been a fan since Opera fit on a floppy disk (3 or 4)? It has always been the fastest browser, except for the stinch in 9 and parts of 10. I've always had it installed and would use it along Chrome, FF, Flock. Eleven is just wonderful. Its fast as lighting, you can try this test, load up like 20 pages and close it. Now open it again, no 30 seconds of waiting for it to crunch it all up like in FF. Amazing! It also seems to respond more like it did from 6 and below where back mean truly instant redraw. Bravo Opera. Now we just need some extensions...