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YouTube’s anti-extremism crackdown targets journalist who documents extremism

63 points by okket 7y ago

LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
Darwin would be a extremist. Freud would be called a pornographer. Copernicus would be banned for fake news. I do not honestly care for propaganda, but if it has something new- aka, something atrocious but never heard before to say- spare it. How can a Algo actually classify novelty?
- devoply 7y ago
  An algo or human being can only identify something as undesirable based on social norms of the times... There are many socially acceptable groups and ideas that have fringe or even mainstream elements to them that have undesirable elements that are simply tolerated. And often the implications of socially acceptable ideas is not fully understood when they are in vogue, and their critics are labelled as simply hateful bigots that are not progressive. But really it's impossible at any given time to separate wheat from chaff and ideas mutate so that racial hatred becomes cultural hatred which still maintaining similar elements and a similar out-group vs an in-group. Is that crypto-racism? Maybe, you can never tell as it's like fashion oblivious to those who live in it... because you can only see it through the lens of its critics.
  - StanislavPetrov 7y ago
    Very well put - exactly why free (unregulated) speech is so important, despite the downsides.
camjohnson26 7y ago
This is what happens when someone with an opinion censors content. The (old) reddit model was far better where small communities are policed by a moderation team and if you don’t like the mods you go somewhere else. There’s simply too much content on YouTube to police effectively and fairly. It’s time to move to community based decentralized alternatives.
- trentlott 7y ago
  Could YouTube provide more structure and moderate by subcatgories? Say I say I'm an expert in chemistry and education - then I would be available to moderate chem Ed videos. I'm not convinced this isn't an attempt by YT to claim they tried and it had unintended consequences they can't avoid.
- gowld 7y ago
  That solves nothing. If youtube doesn't moderate, then the extremist content they want to ban won't be banned.
opwieurposiu 7y ago
Down with monopolies, Federated is the future. Now how do we monetize a federated youtube type service?
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63 points by okket 7y ago

Darwin would be a extremist. Freud would be called a pornographer. Copernicus would be banned for fake news. I do not honestly care for propaganda, but if it has something new- aka, something atrocious but never heard before to say- spare it. How can a Algo actually classify novelty?

devoply 7y ago
An algo or human being can only identify something as undesirable based on social norms of the times... There are many socially acceptable groups and ideas that have fringe or even mainstream elements to them that have undesirable elements that are simply tolerated. And often the implications of socially acceptable ideas is not fully understood when they are in vogue, and their critics are labelled as simply hateful bigots that are not progressive. But really it's impossible at any given time to separate wheat from chaff and ideas mutate so that racial hatred becomes cultural hatred which still maintaining similar elements and a similar out-group vs an in-group. Is that crypto-racism? Maybe, you can never tell as it's like fashion oblivious to those who live in it... because you can only see it through the lens of its critics.
- StanislavPetrov 7y ago
  Very well put - exactly why free (unregulated) speech is so important, despite the downsides.

camjohnson26 7y ago

This is what happens when someone with an opinion censors content. The (old) reddit model was far better where small communities are policed by a moderation team and if you don’t like the mods you go somewhere else. There’s simply too much content on YouTube to police effectively and fairly. It’s time to move to community based decentralized alternatives.

trentlott 7y ago
Could YouTube provide more structure and moderate by subcatgories? Say I say I'm an expert in chemistry and education - then I would be available to moderate chem Ed videos. I'm not convinced this isn't an attempt by YT to claim they tried and it had unintended consequences they can't avoid.
gowld 7y ago
That solves nothing. If youtube doesn't moderate, then the extremist content they want to ban won't be banned.

opwieurposiu 7y ago

Down with monopolies, Federated is the future. Now how do we monetize a federated youtube type service?

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