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I admit it's a stereotype but the German's are certainly more inclined to follow the rules than the average. Certainly when compared to the French. Edit: Excus

I admit it's a stereotype but the German's are certainly more inclined to follow the rules than the average. Certainly when compared to the French. Edit: Excuse the stupidity. I read Cologne in my head.

untog 7y ago
Perhaps, but Copenhagen isn't in Germany
liotier 7y ago
> more inclined to follow the rules Cycling lanes exist for the cyclist's convenience but there are no rule that make them mandatory
- anonymou2 7y ago
  No, they exist for motorists' convenience, as can be seen from the example. Cyclists have been brainwashed for the last 50 years to believe that riding on the regular road means instant death, that's why they stay in the bike lane even if the normal road is empty.
  - akvadrako 7y ago
    It sounds like you're talking about American cyclists. In Amsterdam (and maybe Copenhagen) cyclists are dominant over cars. But it would be pretty rude to ride in the car lane for any distance when a bike lane is available.
    - anonymou2 7y ago
      So you just admitted that also in Amsterdam bike lanes are made for the convenience of motorists.
      - akvadrako 7y ago
        Not at all - in many recent renovations they reduce the car lanes from two-way with parking to a single one-way, making room for double wide bike lanes. The plan is to make it so cars won’t drive through the city, but still be able to reach each spot.
- Faark 7y ago
  Are we talking about german law? Cause usage of bike ways can be mandatory depending on signage according to StVO § 2 Abs. 4 [0]. [0] (german) https://dejure.org/gesetze/StVO/2.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/StVO/2.html
kaybe 7y ago
On bikes? Bhahahaha.. I don't think so. On the other hand, I've had good success with driving a car like I ride a bike here in less rule-abiding places to fit in. Rule-following seems to be a function of the sensibility of the rules. When the rules don't work for you you stop adhering to them, and the rules for bicycles often don't make sense in a car-centric world.
jchrisa 7y ago
Cologne and Copenhagen both have very strong cultures of abiding by traffic signals, even for pedestrians. One time in Cologne I started to feel awkward that we are all waiting, and suddenly a sports car zoomed out of a tunnel and through a green light. That's why no one was crossing against the light.

untog 7y ago

Perhaps, but Copenhagen isn't in Germany

liotier 7y ago

> more inclined to follow the rules Cycling lanes exist for the cyclist's convenience but there are no rule that make them mandatory

anonymou2 7y ago
No, they exist for motorists' convenience, as can be seen from the example. Cyclists have been brainwashed for the last 50 years to believe that riding on the regular road means instant death, that's why they stay in the bike lane even if the normal road is empty.
- akvadrako 7y ago
  It sounds like you're talking about American cyclists. In Amsterdam (and maybe Copenhagen) cyclists are dominant over cars. But it would be pretty rude to ride in the car lane for any distance when a bike lane is available.
  - anonymou2 7y ago
    So you just admitted that also in Amsterdam bike lanes are made for the convenience of motorists.
    - akvadrako 7y ago
      Not at all - in many recent renovations they reduce the car lanes from two-way with parking to a single one-way, making room for double wide bike lanes. The plan is to make it so cars won’t drive through the city, but still be able to reach each spot.
Faark 7y ago
Are we talking about german law? Cause usage of bike ways can be mandatory depending on signage according to StVO § 2 Abs. 4 [0]. [0] (german) https://dejure.org/gesetze/StVO/2.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/StVO/2.html

kaybe 7y ago

On bikes? Bhahahaha.. I don't think so. On the other hand, I've had good success with driving a car like I ride a bike here in less rule-abiding places to fit in. Rule-following seems to be a function of the sensibility of the rules. When the rules don't work for you you stop adhering to them, and the rules for bicycles often don't make sense in a car-centric world.

jchrisa 7y ago

Cologne and Copenhagen both have very strong cultures of abiding by traffic signals, even for pedestrians. One time in Cologne I started to feel awkward that we are all waiting, and suddenly a sports car zoomed out of a tunnel and through a green light. That's why no one was crossing against the light.