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They sure could, but is it worthy to maintain an alternative package and deployment system for which you have no use yourself? Will employees be careful and com

They sure could, but is it worthy to maintain an alternative package and deployment system for which you have no use yourself? Will employees be careful and committed to something useless for their jobs? They previously deprecated Java runtime for similar reasons. And I can’t really blame them, roadmap is crystal clear now, they prefer to assign ressources to develop Swift/Swift UI and improve tooling for native code development.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
I agree overall, but I do think it's a little sad that you can no longer open a Terminal and start writing Python. I think this legitimately matters in terms of increasing overall tech and programming literacy. Mind, there's still a command line and shell built-in, which I consider far more important.
- unilynx 7y ago
  Its not like the rest of the terminal is friendly to newbies. An online ‘jsfiddle’ like environment suitable for newbies (with a bit of inline syntax hints without turning into a full IDE) would be more useful to get people to start playing with programming
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    Separately from including python, I've always thought it would be nice if TextEdit had some built-in syntax highlighting, that activated automatically for the right file extensions. I'm generally against bloating simple apps, but you'd never see this unless you opened a .py file (or .sh, .rb, etc), and if you open a .py file, you probably want syntax highlighting.
- jodrellblank 7y ago
  You can open https://repl.it/languages/python3 https://repl.it/languages/python3 and start writing Python.
  - Godel_unicode 7y ago
    with open("~/Documents/important.csv", "r") as f: f.read() No? Oh well, I guess programming is hard, IT was right. Ok, back to excel...
    - amasad 7y ago
      You can just drag and drop the file on repl.it and it'll just work :)
      - Godel_unicode 7y ago
        Gee, thanks. My point was about discoverability and being able to Google for "read csv with Python", not whether experienced programmers can hack things together.
        amasad 7y ago
        Majority of our users are hobbyists and novices

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

I agree overall, but I do think it's a little sad that you can no longer open a Terminal and start writing Python. I think this legitimately matters in terms of increasing overall tech and programming literacy. Mind, there's still a command line and shell built-in, which I consider far more important.

unilynx 7y ago
Its not like the rest of the terminal is friendly to newbies. An online ‘jsfiddle’ like environment suitable for newbies (with a bit of inline syntax hints without turning into a full IDE) would be more useful to get people to start playing with programming
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  Separately from including python, I've always thought it would be nice if TextEdit had some built-in syntax highlighting, that activated automatically for the right file extensions. I'm generally against bloating simple apps, but you'd never see this unless you opened a .py file (or .sh, .rb, etc), and if you open a .py file, you probably want syntax highlighting.
jodrellblank 7y ago
You can open https://repl.it/languages/python3 https://repl.it/languages/python3 and start writing Python.
- Godel_unicode 7y ago
  with open("~/Documents/important.csv", "r") as f: f.read() No? Oh well, I guess programming is hard, IT was right. Ok, back to excel...
  - amasad 7y ago
    You can just drag and drop the file on repl.it and it'll just work :)
    - Godel_unicode 7y ago
      Gee, thanks. My point was about discoverability and being able to Google for "read csv with Python", not whether experienced programmers can hack things together.
      - amasad 7y ago
        Majority of our users are hobbyists and novices