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Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from n

by jsnell 7y ago

Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext. 3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps. 4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-Apple ad networks in all apps, and swim in money as they've found another way to squeeze more money out of their captive userbase. And every step of the way, HN will cheer as Apple continues to brutally exploit their ownership of the platform.

cyrksoft 7y ago
What's the problem about Apple doing that? It's their platform. You can go use whatever else you like, nobody forces you to use their system.
- CaptainMarvel 7y ago
  What’s the problem about jsnell posting that? It’s their post. You can go read whatever else you like, nobody forces you to read their comment. If you don’t think jsnell’s prediction/complaint/insight was worthy, your post seems hypocritical to me unless I’m missing something.
  - cyrksoft 7y ago
    There is no problem about jsnell posting that. I just want to know what all the complaints about Apple (Amazon, Google, etc) is about. Why would it be wrong for Apple to do everything jsnell predicts?
    - kakkksaknmdm 7y ago
      It's not okay for Apple. It's a bait and switch tactic which Google uses that Apple is doing now. They created their App ecosystem on the basis of Ad's. Now they're strong arming developers to doing things their way. It should not be okay, and must be protested. I hope that the government and Anti-trust lawsuits force apple to unbundle the Appstore. Apple has made enough money to recoup their investment starting from the first iPhone, and made incredible profit over that too. Now laws should be made to ban appstores bundled with an operating system, and hardware. Everyone should be allowed to install the app store they want with a flick of a button.
      - cyrksoft 7y ago
        How do you define enough money? The fact that you don’t like it doesn’t mean you can get the government involved. Protest all you want, but that doesn’t give you the right to call for help from the government to enforce something because you consider they had “enough” success. Go build your own company, compete. If it is that bad developers would go somewhere else.
- gnopgnip 7y ago
  Apple force's you to use their platform if you have an Apple device. You can't install fdroid, or anything else.
  - cyrksoft 7y ago
    But YOU chose to buy the device. Nobody forced you to buy an Apple device.
  - asaddhamani 7y ago
    And that is why Apple devices are more secure, faster, more privacy-respecting, and last much longer with good performance. That trade-off is absolutely worth it to me.
    - wayneftw 7y ago
      Nope. Kids demand Apple devices because of the cool factor. "Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 Seems like they're abusing their monopoly to me.
      - cyrksoft 7y ago
        Where do you see a monopoly? The fact that people choose it doesn’t make it a monopoly. Specially with that price tag. You can choose many other options. There is no real economic argument to call it a monopoly.
        wayneftw 7y ago
        "Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 They've got a monopoly on kids devices.
        cyrksoft 7y ago
        Market share is different from monopoly. Apple is not the only phone manufacturer. There are many companies out there making phones. The fact that everybody likes or chooses them doesn’t mean they are a monopoly.
p2t2p 7y ago
Sure thing I will cheer. I'm tired to death by quality and content of the ads in apps right now. I'm tired to death that apps have size of an elephant because of bunch of unrelated advertising and tracking frameworks compiled in. I'm tired that apps require permissions they don't need and then send data who knows where. And no, I don't give accesses, but bunch of people who has my contact information and less tech savvy or less privacy conscious send it around, left right and center. So yeah, I will cheer. You can't fix your shit? Ok then, Apple will do this, this time on their terms.
- 0x54D5 7y ago
  I'm more tired of walled gardens than of random apps on the app store. I block advertising and tracking networks on my device by HOSTS file which you can only do on a rooted device. It also blocks "legit" ads. I will _NEVER_ buy a locked device. Period. Some of my favorite open-source apps for Android (which contain no tracking and no ads) can not exist in a walled garden.
threezero 7y ago
That’s a good way to give the antitrust investigators even more evidence of wrongdoing. And I’m sure the ad companies will be more than happy to flood the DOJ and FTC with complaints.
scarface74 7y ago
Apple failed at in app advertising so badly years ago, I doubt they will go down that road again.

by jsnell 7y ago

cyrksoft 7y ago

What's the problem about Apple doing that? It's their platform. You can go use whatever else you like, nobody forces you to use their system.

CaptainMarvel 7y ago
What’s the problem about jsnell posting that? It’s their post. You can go read whatever else you like, nobody forces you to read their comment. If you don’t think jsnell’s prediction/complaint/insight was worthy, your post seems hypocritical to me unless I’m missing something.
- cyrksoft 7y ago
  There is no problem about jsnell posting that. I just want to know what all the complaints about Apple (Amazon, Google, etc) is about. Why would it be wrong for Apple to do everything jsnell predicts?
  - kakkksaknmdm 7y ago
    It's not okay for Apple. It's a bait and switch tactic which Google uses that Apple is doing now. They created their App ecosystem on the basis of Ad's. Now they're strong arming developers to doing things their way. It should not be okay, and must be protested. I hope that the government and Anti-trust lawsuits force apple to unbundle the Appstore. Apple has made enough money to recoup their investment starting from the first iPhone, and made incredible profit over that too. Now laws should be made to ban appstores bundled with an operating system, and hardware. Everyone should be allowed to install the app store they want with a flick of a button.
    - cyrksoft 7y ago
      How do you define enough money? The fact that you don’t like it doesn’t mean you can get the government involved. Protest all you want, but that doesn’t give you the right to call for help from the government to enforce something because you consider they had “enough” success. Go build your own company, compete. If it is that bad developers would go somewhere else.
gnopgnip 7y ago
Apple force's you to use their platform if you have an Apple device. You can't install fdroid, or anything else.
- cyrksoft 7y ago
  But YOU chose to buy the device. Nobody forced you to buy an Apple device.
- asaddhamani 7y ago
  And that is why Apple devices are more secure, faster, more privacy-respecting, and last much longer with good performance. That trade-off is absolutely worth it to me.
  - wayneftw 7y ago
    Nope. Kids demand Apple devices because of the cool factor. "Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 Seems like they're abusing their monopoly to me.
    - cyrksoft 7y ago
      Where do you see a monopoly? The fact that people choose it doesn’t make it a monopoly. Specially with that price tag. You can choose many other options. There is no real economic argument to call it a monopoly.
      - wayneftw 7y ago
        "Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357 They've got a monopoly on kids devices.
        cyrksoft 7y ago
        Market share is different from monopoly. Apple is not the only phone manufacturer. There are many companies out there making phones. The fact that everybody likes or chooses them doesn’t mean they are a monopoly.

p2t2p 7y ago

Sure thing I will cheer. I'm tired to death by quality and content of the ads in apps right now. I'm tired to death that apps have size of an elephant because of bunch of unrelated advertising and tracking frameworks compiled in. I'm tired that apps require permissions they don't need and then send data who knows where. And no, I don't give accesses, but bunch of people who has my contact information and less tech savvy or less privacy conscious send it around, left right and center. So yeah, I will cheer. You can't fix your shit? Ok then, Apple will do this, this time on their terms.

0x54D5 7y ago
I'm more tired of walled gardens than of random apps on the app store. I block advertising and tracking networks on my device by HOSTS file which you can only do on a rooted device. It also blocks "legit" ads. I will _NEVER_ buy a locked device. Period. Some of my favorite open-source apps for Android (which contain no tracking and no ads) can not exist in a walled garden.

threezero 7y ago

That’s a good way to give the antitrust investigators even more evidence of wrongdoing. And I’m sure the ad companies will be more than happy to flood the DOJ and FTC with complaints.

scarface74 7y ago

Apple failed at in app advertising so badly years ago, I doubt they will go down that road again.