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I guess I'm just unwilling to grant the point that the idea of closed government is dead. If anything, the reaction to this leak may be worse than the disease.

by linhir 16y ago

I guess I'm just unwilling to grant the point that the idea of closed government is dead. If anything, the reaction to this leak may be worse than the disease. But, nonetheless, these were a ton of `secret' cables. They were embarrassing, they make it more difficult to conduct foreign affairs, but they were not actually that destructive or informative. For two key reasons: 1) The cables are the opinions of low-level functionaries, no matter how good they are at their job. These were not TS cables, they did not include a shocking set of information. In fact, it is all sort of "meh, we pretty much knew that. 2) "The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets. Many governments -- some governments deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation." The first point is that we pretty much didn't learn anything, and the second is that it won't really matter.

zeemonkee 16y ago
It doesn't really matter about the content of the cables themselves, other than the immediate diplomatic embarrassment (and if an Army private in Baghdad was able to access this information, you can bet the Chinese/Russians/French/Iranians/anyone else has been reading US diplomatic cables for a long time). Nor does it really matter about whether the United States is "indispensable" or not (worthy of a more detailed reply on US foreign policy, but this isn't Reddit). The point is the long-term implication of governments being able to keep secrets. Of course, leaks are nothing new (for example, the Pentagon Papers). But if you have technology which allows instantaneous transmission and replication of data around the world, then governments will have a hard job of keeping secrets from their citizens except for very short periods of time. In the same way that that the internet is destroying the record business - despite their attempts to hold back the tide through legislation - the same technology is destroying the secrets business, both public and private.

by linhir 16y ago

zeemonkee 16y ago

It doesn't really matter about the content of the cables themselves, other than the immediate diplomatic embarrassment (and if an Army private in Baghdad was able to access this information, you can bet the Chinese/Russians/French/Iranians/anyone else has been reading US diplomatic cables for a long time). Nor does it really matter about whether the United States is "indispensable" or not (worthy of a more detailed reply on US foreign policy, but this isn't Reddit). The point is the long-term implication of governments being able to keep secrets. Of course, leaks are nothing new (for example, the Pentagon Papers). But if you have technology which allows instantaneous transmission and replication of data around the world, then governments will have a hard job of keeping secrets from their citizens except for very short periods of time. In the same way that that the internet is destroying the record business - despite their attempts to hold back the tide through legislation - the same technology is destroying the secrets business, both public and private.