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While not a perfect analogy, if I understand this properly, essentially if electrons jumping states were pitching in an unregulated game of baseball, the chance

While not a perfect analogy, if I understand this properly, essentially if electrons jumping states were pitching in an unregulated game of baseball, the chances a pitcher will toss the ball increases as time goes on and previously we thought the ball just appeared over the plate instantaneously when that random time occurred. But instead, while you still don't know when exactly, you do know there will be a wind up for the pitch before the ball is thrown, and we can see this windup, and we can time things to hit the ball, or shoot the pitcher with a blowdart and keep the pitch from happening. So if there are systems in certain configurations to which this property is applicable to, and if we needed to keep things in that configuration until a time of our choosing, for instance if a state change occurs it would have cascading effects, we can do so.

joycian 7y ago
But what mechanism is keeping track of the time since the last pitch?
- simonh 7y ago
  There doesn’t have to be one. The transitions are random and therefore not influenced by the recency of the last transition, so there’s no need for a ‘memory’. Having said that, the random chance of a transition occurring must be a probability over time. So if there is a fundamental probability, we can ask what is the unit of time over which that probability is expressed? I’m not sure that question makes sense, but maybe it’s the time it takes for the transition to occur, if that is fixed for a given transition?
  - joycian 7y ago
    My question was about the probability governing the chance at a jump. Apparently, it is not constant and takes t as an input. (Otherwise how does it know that it is rising to 1)
    - simonh 7y ago
      Ok, I see, that makes sense. One thing I’d like to know is, does the frequency of transitions correlate to the time it takes for the transition to occur. I’m not sure. There must be some factor that causes one quantum transition to occur more or less frequently than another. That factor isn’t really hidden because we can measure the frequency of transitions, but as far as I know, we don’t understand it’s nature. That factor, whatever it is, may determine the time it takes for the transition to occur but it’s not necessarily like a memory, but more like a trajectory. Clearly something in the quantum state is changing, so it is a system of some sort.
      - sova 7y ago
        I think you're asking two somewhat entwined but not-same questions: Consider the case of a mushroom that is actually mycelium and fungi network underground. The actual mushroom top that has spores is at the very very end of the lifecycle. The mushroom fungal network of mycelium actually spans months, years, or even decades before the final "fruiting" part of the mycelium takes place. It's likely that these quantum leaps are much like the fruiting event of a long-time-growing networked-body of sorts. In which case, frequency of fruiting and time it takes to occur would be different for different types of mushroom, or different types of plants, and therefore it's likely that there are probably different "types" of quantic networks that are direct precursors to quantum jerks that only appear instantaneous when your equipment is frame-rated. This, of course, only incurs more questions, like what the heck is this pre-leap quantum body like, and how can back can we actually trace a quantum event, and if everything is broken down into quantum events how can we meaningfully measure development and duration of something seemingly induratable? It'd be like trying to trace back fully grown corn to the seed. Of course, it's likely covered in kernels that will inspire and directly create other corn-phenomena, but the original kernel cracking open is information long gone. Quantum entanglement therefore actually means you're inextricably linking two quantum streams, not quantum events. Using that sort of process, it may be possible to find out where quanta are "produced" if I may use such coarse terminology that harkens back to the natural plowshare of the most simple kind of field.
SubiculumCode 7y ago
Do you mean a mechanism that could be used to maintain quantum coherence?
inflatableDodo 7y ago
So god doesn't play dice, she plays poker.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  “God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.” — Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch.
- khazhou 7y ago
  How do you get poker from that?
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    Both are games of chance, but dice has no tells.

joycian 7y ago

But what mechanism is keeping track of the time since the last pitch?

simonh 7y ago
There doesn’t have to be one. The transitions are random and therefore not influenced by the recency of the last transition, so there’s no need for a ‘memory’. Having said that, the random chance of a transition occurring must be a probability over time. So if there is a fundamental probability, we can ask what is the unit of time over which that probability is expressed? I’m not sure that question makes sense, but maybe it’s the time it takes for the transition to occur, if that is fixed for a given transition?
- joycian 7y ago
  My question was about the probability governing the chance at a jump. Apparently, it is not constant and takes t as an input. (Otherwise how does it know that it is rising to 1)
  - simonh 7y ago
    Ok, I see, that makes sense. One thing I’d like to know is, does the frequency of transitions correlate to the time it takes for the transition to occur. I’m not sure. There must be some factor that causes one quantum transition to occur more or less frequently than another. That factor isn’t really hidden because we can measure the frequency of transitions, but as far as I know, we don’t understand it’s nature. That factor, whatever it is, may determine the time it takes for the transition to occur but it’s not necessarily like a memory, but more like a trajectory. Clearly something in the quantum state is changing, so it is a system of some sort.
    - sova 7y ago
      I think you're asking two somewhat entwined but not-same questions: Consider the case of a mushroom that is actually mycelium and fungi network underground. The actual mushroom top that has spores is at the very very end of the lifecycle. The mushroom fungal network of mycelium actually spans months, years, or even decades before the final "fruiting" part of the mycelium takes place. It's likely that these quantum leaps are much like the fruiting event of a long-time-growing networked-body of sorts. In which case, frequency of fruiting and time it takes to occur would be different for different types of mushroom, or different types of plants, and therefore it's likely that there are probably different "types" of quantic networks that are direct precursors to quantum jerks that only appear instantaneous when your equipment is frame-rated. This, of course, only incurs more questions, like what the heck is this pre-leap quantum body like, and how can back can we actually trace a quantum event, and if everything is broken down into quantum events how can we meaningfully measure development and duration of something seemingly induratable? It'd be like trying to trace back fully grown corn to the seed. Of course, it's likely covered in kernels that will inspire and directly create other corn-phenomena, but the original kernel cracking open is information long gone. Quantum entanglement therefore actually means you're inextricably linking two quantum streams, not quantum events. Using that sort of process, it may be possible to find out where quanta are "produced" if I may use such coarse terminology that harkens back to the natural plowshare of the most simple kind of field.

SubiculumCode 7y ago

Do you mean a mechanism that could be used to maintain quantum coherence?

inflatableDodo 7y ago

So god doesn't play dice, she plays poker.

dragonwriter 7y ago
“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.” — Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch.
khazhou 7y ago
How do you get poker from that?
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  Both are games of chance, but dice has no tells.