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Probably because it's literally what YouTube is? Why do you think a nation of free speaking individuals is patently not entitled to say what they want on a pla

by lugg 7y ago

Probably because it's literally what YouTube is? Why do you think a nation of free speaking individuals is patently not entitled to say what they want on a platform specifically created to allow people to say whatever they want? To be absolutely clear on my position, I am not saying YouTube is acting outside their rights to censor content. But I am very much saying people have a right to be peeved about the bait and switch. Further to my point. People being concerned about who and what specifically will be caught up in this is well, well within reason to bring into question given their current approach to takedowns which consistently missflag videos inappropriately. "It's their business they can do what they want" isn't a valid argument against any of these questions, you're just stating a fact that doesn't answer or even acknowledge the potentially problematic situation at hand.

wnevets 7y ago
>Probably because it's literally what YouTube is? That's obviously not true. A list of banned content has been place for most of its existence, e.g porn and illegal content.
- lugg 7y ago
  YouTube started out as a way to empower people to post home videos on the internet, a place for every day people to share video. And you're right, it has always restricted illegal content. And that's a good line to draw. So.. What's illegal about this new content? Or what has changed that they now think they're ready to judge what is extreme and hateful? Or what has changed that they now think they even should?
  - foldr 7y ago
    Porn isn't illegal, but has always been banned on youtube.
    - a-afterglow 7y ago
      But isn't it a platform for all ages? In which case, it would be illegal for YouTube to host porn, wouldn't it?
      - foldr 7y ago
        Age control isn't a legal requirement for websites that host porn in the USA as far as I know. Google, for example, will return porn in image search results (if you disable the safe search filter), and you don't have to verify your age first to do that.
    - lugg 7y ago
      Are you going to answer my questions or just keep repeating strawmans?
      - dang 7y ago
        Could you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? You've done it repeatedly, it's not what this site is for, and we eventually ban accounts that do that. It would be great if you would review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart when posting here.
weaksauce 7y ago
It’s disengenuous to say that YouTube didn’t have rules before this. This is just another rule on what’s allowed. Is it wise? I don’t know, probably. In America white supremacy is a rising problem and they are getting radicalized by YouTube and the economics of hate for profit making a lot of money by recommending the more clickbaity extreme videos. They are perhaps correcting the course. Perhaps they are overreacting. We will see where the chips lie after this. Edit. I looked at the way back on YouTube’s tou from when the site was a dating site and it’s always disallowed hateful content regarding race or other things. This seems like a clarification on that provision.
- lugg 7y ago
  I never said they didn't have rules. And re your edit, it's not a clarification it's a redefinition and that's what scares people.
  - weaksauce 7y ago
    I disagree that it's not a clarification. from the original tou as far back as it went on archive.org: > You may not post, upload or transmit to the Site, or to the YouTube servers, any communications, text, graphics or other information or Materials that: (1) is unlawful, obscene, fraudulent, indecent or that defames, abuses, harasses, or threatens others, or is hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; (2) contains any software viruses, Trojan horses, worms, bombs, or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment or that may damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept, or expropriate any system, data, or personal information; (3) advocates or encourages any illegal activity; (4) infringes on the copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret, right of publicity or other intellectual property, proprietary, contracted, personal or other right of any third party; (5) violates the privacy of inpiduals, including other users of the Site; or (6) violates any applicable local, state, national or international law. You agree not to use bots, spiders or intelligent agent software (or other methods) for any purpose other than accessing publicly posted portions of the Site and then only for the purposes consistent with the limited license hereunder and these Terms of Use. You agree not to, or attempt to, circumvent any access or use restrictions, data encryption or content protection related to the Site; not to data mine the Site and not to in any way cause harm to or burden the Site. You agree that you will not post on or transmit through the Site any advertising or commercial solicitation of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, via e-mail or chat, without YouTube's express prior written approval and, if then, solely in accordance with the terms and conditions imposed by YouTube with respect thereto. You further agree not to use the Site, or any element or portion thereof (including, without limitation, e-mail addresses of users), for any commercial purpose whatsoever. specifically the first part: (1) is unlawful, obscene, fraudulent, indecent or that defames, abuses, harasses, or threatens others, or is hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; heading from their blog post: > Removing more hateful and supremacist content from YouTube where they go on to clarify what is meant by hateful.

by lugg 7y ago

wnevets 7y ago

>Probably because it's literally what YouTube is? That's obviously not true. A list of banned content has been place for most of its existence, e.g porn and illegal content.

lugg 7y ago
YouTube started out as a way to empower people to post home videos on the internet, a place for every day people to share video. And you're right, it has always restricted illegal content. And that's a good line to draw. So.. What's illegal about this new content? Or what has changed that they now think they're ready to judge what is extreme and hateful? Or what has changed that they now think they even should?
- foldr 7y ago
  Porn isn't illegal, but has always been banned on youtube.
  - a-afterglow 7y ago
    But isn't it a platform for all ages? In which case, it would be illegal for YouTube to host porn, wouldn't it?
    - foldr 7y ago
      Age control isn't a legal requirement for websites that host porn in the USA as far as I know. Google, for example, will return porn in image search results (if you disable the safe search filter), and you don't have to verify your age first to do that.
  - lugg 7y ago
    Are you going to answer my questions or just keep repeating strawmans?
    - dang 7y ago
      Could you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? You've done it repeatedly, it's not what this site is for, and we eventually ban accounts that do that. It would be great if you would review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart when posting here.

weaksauce 7y ago

It’s disengenuous to say that YouTube didn’t have rules before this. This is just another rule on what’s allowed. Is it wise? I don’t know, probably. In America white supremacy is a rising problem and they are getting radicalized by YouTube and the economics of hate for profit making a lot of money by recommending the more clickbaity extreme videos. They are perhaps correcting the course. Perhaps they are overreacting. We will see where the chips lie after this. Edit. I looked at the way back on YouTube’s tou from when the site was a dating site and it’s always disallowed hateful content regarding race or other things. This seems like a clarification on that provision.

lugg 7y ago
I never said they didn't have rules. And re your edit, it's not a clarification it's a redefinition and that's what scares people.
- weaksauce 7y ago
  I disagree that it's not a clarification. from the original tou as far back as it went on archive.org: > You may not post, upload or transmit to the Site, or to the YouTube servers, any communications, text, graphics or other information or Materials that: (1) is unlawful, obscene, fraudulent, indecent or that defames, abuses, harasses, or threatens others, or is hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; (2) contains any software viruses, Trojan horses, worms, bombs, or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment or that may damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept, or expropriate any system, data, or personal information; (3) advocates or encourages any illegal activity; (4) infringes on the copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret, right of publicity or other intellectual property, proprietary, contracted, personal or other right of any third party; (5) violates the privacy of inpiduals, including other users of the Site; or (6) violates any applicable local, state, national or international law. You agree not to use bots, spiders or intelligent agent software (or other methods) for any purpose other than accessing publicly posted portions of the Site and then only for the purposes consistent with the limited license hereunder and these Terms of Use. You agree not to, or attempt to, circumvent any access or use restrictions, data encryption or content protection related to the Site; not to data mine the Site and not to in any way cause harm to or burden the Site. You agree that you will not post on or transmit through the Site any advertising or commercial solicitation of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, via e-mail or chat, without YouTube's express prior written approval and, if then, solely in accordance with the terms and conditions imposed by YouTube with respect thereto. You further agree not to use the Site, or any element or portion thereof (including, without limitation, e-mail addresses of users), for any commercial purpose whatsoever. specifically the first part: (1) is unlawful, obscene, fraudulent, indecent or that defames, abuses, harasses, or threatens others, or is hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; heading from their blog post: > Removing more hateful and supremacist content from YouTube where they go on to clarify what is meant by hateful.