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I don't like the bootcamp model. I also don't like what a lot of graduate programs have become, insofar as they're jockeying to become souped-up bootcamps by m

I don't like the bootcamp model. I also don't like what a lot of graduate programs have become, insofar as they're jockeying to become souped-up bootcamps by making ever more grand career promises while trying to minimize the amount of time it takes to earn a degree. Just no. Schools shouldn't be selling jobs. They should be selling education. To that end, what I really want to see is more schools than just community colleges allowing you to take classes without being enrolled in a degree program. Once upon a time I contacted a university to see about taking some additional classes to fill in some gaps I didn't manage to fill while I was getting my bachelor's, and they told me that I couldn't just take a few classes; I'd have to enroll in a bachelor's program, become a major in the school, and go through earning a second bachelor's degree in a field for which I already held a bachelor's, just to get access to one or two classes. That's ridiculous. And anachronistic. It's a model that's designed for an era when postsecondary education was primarily reserved for children of a privileged elite class, and a very few people who were trying to break into the wealthy elite class. There's a huge gap between that model and what we actually need nowadays. In failing to adapt, the orthodox educational establishment is doing society a huge disservice, because the only other people to address it are a bunch of for-profit organizations who see the demand, first and foremost, as an arbitrage opportunity to exploit.

duxup 7y ago
>Schools shouldn't be selling jobs. They should be selling education. I think that is what we have now... the education is disconnected from the jobs in the sense that the price makes no sense. I think a lot of what you describe is what happens when an education system thinks they're just selling "an education" without consideration that their student's are can't afford it.
- __full_pint 7y ago
  This seems to really come down to a couple of factors: - What program the student chooses - Is said program at the University recognized - If recognized does the program provide a proper mix of theory and application - What opportunities does the program actively provide for the student - Is the student willing to be an active participant in their education - Is student and active participant in what resources the program offers If yes to all of the above, then student really receives a proper well rounded education practical knowledge, and the resources to find a job. Along with that they have the tools to continue to be a competitor in the market and in their current employment. Far too often it seems that a degree just implies employment and competitive salary. If properly used and taken advantage of it really implies being a much better competitor when all else is held equal.
smogcutter 7y ago
In LA, UCLA Extension fills the bill of a la carte classes for working adults. They have a huge variety of courses available, and a number are offered online.

duxup 7y ago

>Schools shouldn't be selling jobs. They should be selling education. I think that is what we have now... the education is disconnected from the jobs in the sense that the price makes no sense. I think a lot of what you describe is what happens when an education system thinks they're just selling "an education" without consideration that their student's are can't afford it.

__full_pint 7y ago
This seems to really come down to a couple of factors: - What program the student chooses - Is said program at the University recognized - If recognized does the program provide a proper mix of theory and application - What opportunities does the program actively provide for the student - Is the student willing to be an active participant in their education - Is student and active participant in what resources the program offers If yes to all of the above, then student really receives a proper well rounded education practical knowledge, and the resources to find a job. Along with that they have the tools to continue to be a competitor in the market and in their current employment. Far too often it seems that a degree just implies employment and competitive salary. If properly used and taken advantage of it really implies being a much better competitor when all else is held equal.

smogcutter 7y ago

In LA, UCLA Extension fills the bill of a la carte classes for working adults. They have a huge variety of courses available, and a number are offered online.