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Here is the actual blog post: https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/06/our-ongoing-work-to-tackle-hate.html?m=1 https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/06/our-ongoing

by ausbah 7y ago

Here is the actual blog post: https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/06/our-ongoing-work-to-tackle-hate.html?m=1 https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/06/our-ongoing-work-to-t... Main points: >Removing more hateful and supremacist content from YouTube I think this is great, I see nothing of value being lost from channels whose whole schtick is to marginalize people's of a target group. >Reducing borderline content and raising up authoritative voices I do like attempts to curtail outright scams and misinformation, but don't like YouTube choosing "top channels" as voices of authority. >Continuing to reward trusted creators and enforce our monetization policies I think this shows what drives YouTube and many other platforms, what is and isn't advertiser friendly. Principles only go as far as the bottomline.

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skrowl 7y ago
> > Removing more hateful and supremacist content from YouTube > I think this is great, I see nothing of value being lost from channels whose whole schtick is to marginalize people's of a target group. Who gets to pick what's 'hateful' and 'supremacist' though? Did you think of that?
- Retra 7y ago
  Why do you assume they didn't? People make decisions. That's how decisions are made the world over.
- tootahe45 7y ago
  Who do you think? Hint: If they go the Facebook route it will be various 'anti-hate' orgs which have openly called people like Trump and Ben Shapiro Nazis.
- fwip 7y ago
  Google. Is this a trick question or something?
  - umvi 7y ago
    More specifically, the political party with the most supporters at Google (currently democratic party, but could change)
    - drewrv 7y ago
      They gave slightly more to republicans last time around: https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00428623 https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=...
      - umvi 7y ago
        Yeah but that doesn't tell you anything about the party alignment of employees. 1 rich republican Google employee donating $500K vs 100 middle class democrat Google employees donating $4K will yield those results you posted, yet the demographics would indicate 1% republican.
QualityReboot 7y ago
> Today, we're taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status. I wonder if things like the Freedom From Religion Foundation would qualify for a ban. Or a church that preaches that their god is the correct one. You can't choose your age, gender (mostly), race, caste, sexual orientation, or veteran status, but religion is malleable and public discourse about those topics where one person argues that their view is superior to others is pretty important to society. It's not clear if YouTube is going to remove anything that asserts some religious beliefs are indeed superior to others.
- davinic 7y ago
  As your quote shows, it's not simply a matter of saying your group is superior, but then using that view to "justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion".
  - QualityReboot 7y ago
    What about the calls to boycott Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A for what they've argued are their religious positions? That's certainly exclusionary. Or preachers telling the world that gays are evil sinners that need to be saved by conversion therapy? That's discriminatory. Or feminist groups that advocate for women-only programs and institutions? Dividing the world into groups with different treatment is certainly segregation.
- neetdeth 7y ago
  This is all a very interesting thought experiment, but you're supposing some attempt at logical consistency which will surely not be made. What this announcement actually means is that YouTube is going to become more politically active in their content curation. This is what a subset of their employees, as well as influential bluechecked Twitterati, have been lobbying for. As a progressive/neo-liberal institution, it will apply exactly the sort of differential policy enforcement that one might expect. I won't delve into the details of how that applies to your examples because it would quickly become too controversial for HN. Just imagine how the median Bay Area tech-person would parse out the details and you'll have the answers.

by ausbah 7y ago

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skrowl 7y ago

> > Removing more hateful and supremacist content from YouTube > I think this is great, I see nothing of value being lost from channels whose whole schtick is to marginalize people's of a target group. Who gets to pick what's 'hateful' and 'supremacist' though? Did you think of that?

Retra 7y ago
Why do you assume they didn't? People make decisions. That's how decisions are made the world over.
tootahe45 7y ago
Who do you think? Hint: If they go the Facebook route it will be various 'anti-hate' orgs which have openly called people like Trump and Ben Shapiro Nazis.
fwip 7y ago
Google. Is this a trick question or something?
- umvi 7y ago
  More specifically, the political party with the most supporters at Google (currently democratic party, but could change)
  - drewrv 7y ago
    They gave slightly more to republicans last time around: https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00428623 https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=...
    - umvi 7y ago
      Yeah but that doesn't tell you anything about the party alignment of employees. 1 rich republican Google employee donating $500K vs 100 middle class democrat Google employees donating $4K will yield those results you posted, yet the demographics would indicate 1% republican.

QualityReboot 7y ago

> Today, we're taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status. I wonder if things like the Freedom From Religion Foundation would qualify for a ban. Or a church that preaches that their god is the correct one. You can't choose your age, gender (mostly), race, caste, sexual orientation, or veteran status, but religion is malleable and public discourse about those topics where one person argues that their view is superior to others is pretty important to society. It's not clear if YouTube is going to remove anything that asserts some religious beliefs are indeed superior to others.

davinic 7y ago
As your quote shows, it's not simply a matter of saying your group is superior, but then using that view to "justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion".
- QualityReboot 7y ago
  What about the calls to boycott Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A for what they've argued are their religious positions? That's certainly exclusionary. Or preachers telling the world that gays are evil sinners that need to be saved by conversion therapy? That's discriminatory. Or feminist groups that advocate for women-only programs and institutions? Dividing the world into groups with different treatment is certainly segregation.
neetdeth 7y ago
This is all a very interesting thought experiment, but you're supposing some attempt at logical consistency which will surely not be made. What this announcement actually means is that YouTube is going to become more politically active in their content curation. This is what a subset of their employees, as well as influential bluechecked Twitterati, have been lobbying for. As a progressive/neo-liberal institution, it will apply exactly the sort of differential policy enforcement that one might expect. I won't delve into the details of how that applies to your examples because it would quickly become too controversial for HN. Just imagine how the median Bay Area tech-person would parse out the details and you'll have the answers.