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> If they focused on making it simple, fast, and reliable, it would have a much better shot at taking market share from Chrome. imho, they've already achieved

> If they focused on making it simple, fast, and reliable, it would have a much better shot at taking market share from Chrome. imho, they've already achieved this and have a great browser that's at least comparably-competent against Chrome. The battle Mozilla has with Firefox isn't in improving its tech specs, it's in winning over hearts and minds, and that's a complicated, somewhat costly game. (I say this as a long-term Firefox user who encourages it with all my friends and family)

benatkin 7y ago
There are only four major browsers, so it isn't about being a great browser. Many try to switch and then some scandal happens, or it just seems as cluttered as any other browser, and they give up. I think the people who think Firefox Monitor is a good idea are probably the ones who thought the Mr. Robot promo was a good idea. A good browser should stay out of the way. Chrome did for a long time. Having a "Save to Pocket" button in my toolbar is intrusive.
- emn13 7y ago
  Browsers have tons of feature; you don't need to use the ones you don't care for. It's trivial to remove the pocket button - right-click and select "remove from address bar". If I might ask - how is a "save to pocket" intrusive? This isn't like any of the billions of social media buttons you'll come across on the web; it's not a tracker or anything (and if you do click it, you're going to need to make an account first; and it's only going to save what you ask it explicitly to save).
  - benatkin 7y ago
    It's intrusive because it takes up space on my screen, and because it's completely useless without a Pocket account. Thanks for the tip about removing it from my address bar. Done. It still shows up second in the dot menu, but it's an improvement. I'd rather it were an extension that was installed by default that I could uninstall.
    - emn13 7y ago
      This isn't at all discoverable, but... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-or-re-enable-pocket-for-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-or-re-enable-po...
  - wayneftw 7y ago
    It's also trivial to keep using Chrome and that's what the vast majority of users are going to do. Mozilla's promotions on HN/reddit won't amount to much.

benatkin 7y ago

There are only four major browsers, so it isn't about being a great browser. Many try to switch and then some scandal happens, or it just seems as cluttered as any other browser, and they give up. I think the people who think Firefox Monitor is a good idea are probably the ones who thought the Mr. Robot promo was a good idea. A good browser should stay out of the way. Chrome did for a long time. Having a "Save to Pocket" button in my toolbar is intrusive.

emn13 7y ago
Browsers have tons of feature; you don't need to use the ones you don't care for. It's trivial to remove the pocket button - right-click and select "remove from address bar". If I might ask - how is a "save to pocket" intrusive? This isn't like any of the billions of social media buttons you'll come across on the web; it's not a tracker or anything (and if you do click it, you're going to need to make an account first; and it's only going to save what you ask it explicitly to save).
- benatkin 7y ago
  It's intrusive because it takes up space on my screen, and because it's completely useless without a Pocket account. Thanks for the tip about removing it from my address bar. Done. It still shows up second in the dot menu, but it's an improvement. I'd rather it were an extension that was installed by default that I could uninstall.
  - emn13 7y ago
    This isn't at all discoverable, but... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-or-re-enable-pocket-for-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-or-re-enable-po...
- wayneftw 7y ago
  It's also trivial to keep using Chrome and that's what the vast majority of users are going to do. Mozilla's promotions on HN/reddit won't amount to much.