Fully disagree and your opening line is a little bit patronising. Let me try the same! Presumably the pro-remote crowd are working for tiny little companies wh

Fully disagree and your opening line is a little bit patronising. Let me try the same! Presumably the pro-remote crowd are working for tiny little companies where their engineering teams, product managers, data scientists, comms people, etc all fit in the same diddy little office. But projects can easily get to a size where you need to: - Collaborate with various government departments - Work with people in other suppliers - Work with people across an international supply chain - Gather requirements because what you have is fairly vague (isn't this every project ever?) While local work can still work in these cases, it's much, much harder. It's even harder when you have to fly people across time zones. --- Look, this is all silly IMHO - it doesn't have to be this way. The company I work with is setup for remote first, employees get a rundown of how we use tooling to solve all the communication issues that could arise. You can even sit in voice conference with other devs so you can actually hear each other swearing at code - if you choose to. But if people want to colocate the company will pay for them to have office space in a WeWork or similar. FWIW, I make 4x working remote what I ever did for a local company. And the work is more interesting. Accept that!