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Listen, there's too many people for all of us to be at the top of the social hierarchy and enjoy traveling and consuming whatever we want, etc. The current cap

Listen, there's too many people for all of us to be at the top of the social hierarchy and enjoy traveling and consuming whatever we want, etc. The current capitalist based system isn't bad. But we should get rid of the inefficiencies and cronyism and money shuffling. It should basically be, if you innovate and help people enjoy their lives or live better lives, etc... you get rewarded for that. If you don't, you get to live a normal and healthy life without pomp. Also, need to limit the number of people. Nobody should be having more than 2-3 kids or they get penalized with an equal and opposite economic penalty.

bilbo0s 7y ago
>Nobody should be having more than 2-3 kids or they get penalized with an equal and opposite economic penalty.... That statement was a little humorous to me, but if you're serious, you'll be happy to know that this is already the case. The couple unfortunate enough to have, say, 5 kids is already, um, "penalized with an equal and opposite economic penalty". Each child will always soak up much more than his or her standard deduction. There's no question about that. Operational costs are enormous, and grow over time. And all that doesn't even count opportunity costs. Yeah, anyone who thinks kids are cheap is liable to be very disagreeably surprised if they ever have one. I'd wager a large part of what keeps the economy going is spending on, for, or by, kids? But I don't have any data to back that up, it's just my wild ass speculation.
- throw51319 7y ago
  Unless they are on government support, right? Then the government subsidizes their overproduction. They get more representation in the next generation for no reason, having others pay for it.
  - bilbo0s 7y ago
    Well, now you've moved the goal posts. You've switched from the economic issue that I thought you were talking about, onto what sounds to me like a political issue that you have with people who have a lot of kids. I don't really want to touch all that political stuff because that's too controversial. I was just saying that couples who have to support 5 kids by themselves take enormous economic hits.
    - throw51319 7y ago
      Yeah you are definitely right that kids are very expensive. Also when taking into account future negative externalities, excessive kids are also very expensive to our society. The earth has a carrying capacity for humans, even though the futurists don't believe so.
sjg007 7y ago
Ok comrade.
- throw51319 7y ago
  Lol the core of my post is a purer capitalism that has reduced cronyism and money shuffling (and thus scraping).
sametmax 7y ago
> It should basically be, if you innovate and help people enjoy their lives or live better lives, etc... you get rewarded for that. If you don't, you get to live a normal and healthy life without pomp. Except if you can travel, you get experience that will make you better at improving people's life. If you don't, you will have a narrower POV. But I agree with the sentiment, there are too many of us for our life style. You can't do anything anymore without being surrounded by thousand others, everybody wanting the same experience, and paradoxically, wanting it to be unique. People keep saying it's not a zerosum game. But we are in a finite environnement. We are not going to live outside earth anytime soon and we are just getting started on consumming everthing.

bilbo0s 7y ago

>Nobody should be having more than 2-3 kids or they get penalized with an equal and opposite economic penalty.... That statement was a little humorous to me, but if you're serious, you'll be happy to know that this is already the case. The couple unfortunate enough to have, say, 5 kids is already, um, "penalized with an equal and opposite economic penalty". Each child will always soak up much more than his or her standard deduction. There's no question about that. Operational costs are enormous, and grow over time. And all that doesn't even count opportunity costs. Yeah, anyone who thinks kids are cheap is liable to be very disagreeably surprised if they ever have one. I'd wager a large part of what keeps the economy going is spending on, for, or by, kids? But I don't have any data to back that up, it's just my wild ass speculation.

throw51319 7y ago
Unless they are on government support, right? Then the government subsidizes their overproduction. They get more representation in the next generation for no reason, having others pay for it.
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  Well, now you've moved the goal posts. You've switched from the economic issue that I thought you were talking about, onto what sounds to me like a political issue that you have with people who have a lot of kids. I don't really want to touch all that political stuff because that's too controversial. I was just saying that couples who have to support 5 kids by themselves take enormous economic hits.
  - throw51319 7y ago
    Yeah you are definitely right that kids are very expensive. Also when taking into account future negative externalities, excessive kids are also very expensive to our society. The earth has a carrying capacity for humans, even though the futurists don't believe so.

sjg007 7y ago

Ok comrade.

throw51319 7y ago
Lol the core of my post is a purer capitalism that has reduced cronyism and money shuffling (and thus scraping).

sametmax 7y ago

> It should basically be, if you innovate and help people enjoy their lives or live better lives, etc... you get rewarded for that. If you don't, you get to live a normal and healthy life without pomp. Except if you can travel, you get experience that will make you better at improving people's life. If you don't, you will have a narrower POV. But I agree with the sentiment, there are too many of us for our life style. You can't do anything anymore without being surrounded by thousand others, everybody wanting the same experience, and paradoxically, wanting it to be unique. People keep saying it's not a zerosum game. But we are in a finite environnement. We are not going to live outside earth anytime soon and we are just getting started on consumming everthing.