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Mozilla and Apple, lately, are the only companies I trust my data to. Nice to see more from both.

by yuchi 7y ago

tomxor 7y ago
I find it difficult to trust Apple for security considering their morally bankrupt behaviour in rest of their business. They have proven their sole principle is monetary, so I find it difficult to perceive their recent claim to care about user security as anything beyond opportunism.
- charles_f 7y ago
  A large chunk of their marketing nowadays is around privacy and it looks like it's more and more in their priorities, and Apple is a company that has historically loved by suckling at their customers sweet wallety nectar. So yeah even if they're driven by money, their best interest is aligned with their customers'- living up to the promise that your data is yours with them. The other thing is that there seems to be a better chance at being private with a company that does not start its promise by telling they want to know everything about you and "index the world"
  - lallysingh 7y ago
    Yup. They're in privacy because their biggest competitor is Android and this is their best angle. Tech advancements for phones are ho-hum at this point, so this is how they compete with carrier-based incentives for android phones on upgrade. That's all fine and good, but privacy is a float, not a bool, and let's not assume Apple's going to go any further than they have to. They won't ever ask their users to do something inconvenient to get better privacy. They're not discussing specific threat models that they're trying to protect their users against. Just features that they support in specific use cases. Which may sound like a hollow problem, but it leaves each user to deal with understanding all the threats they're under and what measures they should take. That's fertile ground for an adaptive adversary to work with.
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  I can’t think of a big tech device company that’s any less driven by money than apple. What makes them so unique, in your mind? In my experience I’ve had less unwanted tracking and advertising, and better support compared to other phone and laptop manufacturers I used to buy from.
  - tomxor 7y ago
    Not everything needs to be a "big tech company", but you are right big tech companies are quite similar in this respect. At critical mass capitalism seems to cause companies to lose their driving principles that made them unique - their behaviour becomes more of a mindless ecology driven solely by money. Now look at Mozilla, it's a non profit, look at everything it does, they have never lost their principles. They will never reach the scale of Apple, Google or Microsoft, and that's a good thing. > What makes them so unique, in your mind? Beyond the negatives that come at their scale, Apple are doing some systematically deceitful things directly to customers that make them stand out from other companies ([edit] talking about their attitude towards customers with defective hardware). If they think that little of individual customers, how could they possibly care about an individuals privacy?
    - jcoder 7y ago
      The downvotes might be because you responded to a request for more detail with: > I don't think I need to explain what those are... Why don't you humor us and give some examples anyways?
      - jvagner 7y ago
        I didn't downvote, but yeah, not sure what the poster is getting on about. Personally, I think Apple is significantly different than the other company with respect to customer data, etc. Apple Pay, iOS vault, etc., come to mind.
      - tomxor 7y ago
        https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-accused-of-overpricing-restricting-device-repairs-1.4859099 https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-a... This is just one example, In general when Apple hardware fails from any kind of defect, one of two things happens: 1. They blame the customer and suggest replacing large portions of the computer (unnecessarily) at such a high cost as to justify recommending buying a new machine. 2. In the rare cases they have been publicly pressured into admitting fault, they will replace parts with newer parts with the same defect and repeat this cycle until out of warranty or the customer just gives up. For the cases where the user is to blame for damage, #1 is also applied, this would not be such an issue if Apple wasn't also lobbying against independent repair shops and seizing their parts under false claims of trademark violations. They are deceitful... there is no way around it.
jmichaelhudson 7y ago
I do not think you understand the meaning of the word "trust", you may want to look it up. Or maybe you were born after firefox deactivated all add-ons by surprise and accident? Maybe you haven't thought through what an 'app store' really is? Whatever the case, don't bother interacting with me you are so far behind I know nothing you have to say will be of any value on the topics of 'trust', 'corporation' or 'privacy.'
- Engineering-MD 7y ago
  I’m not the person you responded to, but I found your comment needlessly imflammatory. In regards to privacy, they aren’t brilliant, but they are probably the best of a bad bunch for most users. Chrome is very anti privacy, as is edge. Android is anti privacy. By elimating 90% of the market in this way, it’s fair to say the only remaining big players in either field are better for privacy than the standard.
  - jmichaelhudson 7y ago
    You can't point to criminals in order to prove yourself good by comparison. You can't dismiss the mountain of mozilla's untrustworthy sketch bs without offering alternative suggestions unless your intention is simply advertising to use mozilla because it's the least worst. fanboys set the bar soooo low nowadays. I find your comment needlessly dismissive of the relevant facts, perspective and any meaningful contribution to the discussion. You haven't even begun to see the beginnings of inflammatory so please adjust your sensitivity meter, this is the internet.

Mozilla and Apple, lately, are the only companies I trust my data to. Nice to see more from both.

by yuchi 7y ago

Mozilla and Apple, lately, are the only companies I trust my data to. Nice to see more from both.

I find it difficult to trust Apple for security considering their morally bankrupt behaviour in rest of their business. They have proven their sole principle is monetary, so I find it difficult to perceive their recent claim to care about user security as anything beyond opportunism.

charles_f 7y ago
A large chunk of their marketing nowadays is around privacy and it looks like it's more and more in their priorities, and Apple is a company that has historically loved by suckling at their customers sweet wallety nectar. So yeah even if they're driven by money, their best interest is aligned with their customers'- living up to the promise that your data is yours with them. The other thing is that there seems to be a better chance at being private with a company that does not start its promise by telling they want to know everything about you and "index the world"
- lallysingh 7y ago
  Yup. They're in privacy because their biggest competitor is Android and this is their best angle. Tech advancements for phones are ho-hum at this point, so this is how they compete with carrier-based incentives for android phones on upgrade. That's all fine and good, but privacy is a float, not a bool, and let's not assume Apple's going to go any further than they have to. They won't ever ask their users to do something inconvenient to get better privacy. They're not discussing specific threat models that they're trying to protect their users against. Just features that they support in specific use cases. Which may sound like a hollow problem, but it leaves each user to deal with understanding all the threats they're under and what measures they should take. That's fertile ground for an adaptive adversary to work with.
ilikehurdles 7y ago
I can’t think of a big tech device company that’s any less driven by money than apple. What makes them so unique, in your mind? In my experience I’ve had less unwanted tracking and advertising, and better support compared to other phone and laptop manufacturers I used to buy from.
- tomxor 7y ago
  Not everything needs to be a "big tech company", but you are right big tech companies are quite similar in this respect. At critical mass capitalism seems to cause companies to lose their driving principles that made them unique - their behaviour becomes more of a mindless ecology driven solely by money. Now look at Mozilla, it's a non profit, look at everything it does, they have never lost their principles. They will never reach the scale of Apple, Google or Microsoft, and that's a good thing. > What makes them so unique, in your mind? Beyond the negatives that come at their scale, Apple are doing some systematically deceitful things directly to customers that make them stand out from other companies ([edit] talking about their attitude towards customers with defective hardware). If they think that little of individual customers, how could they possibly care about an individuals privacy?
  - jcoder 7y ago
    The downvotes might be because you responded to a request for more detail with: > I don't think I need to explain what those are... Why don't you humor us and give some examples anyways?
    - jvagner 7y ago
      I didn't downvote, but yeah, not sure what the poster is getting on about. Personally, I think Apple is significantly different than the other company with respect to customer data, etc. Apple Pay, iOS vault, etc., come to mind.
    - tomxor 7y ago
      https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-accused-of-overpricing-restricting-device-repairs-1.4859099 https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-a... This is just one example, In general when Apple hardware fails from any kind of defect, one of two things happens: 1. They blame the customer and suggest replacing large portions of the computer (unnecessarily) at such a high cost as to justify recommending buying a new machine. 2. In the rare cases they have been publicly pressured into admitting fault, they will replace parts with newer parts with the same defect and repeat this cycle until out of warranty or the customer just gives up. For the cases where the user is to blame for damage, #1 is also applied, this would not be such an issue if Apple wasn't also lobbying against independent repair shops and seizing their parts under false claims of trademark violations. They are deceitful... there is no way around it.

jmichaelhudson 7y ago

I do not think you understand the meaning of the word "trust", you may want to look it up. Or maybe you were born after firefox deactivated all add-ons by surprise and accident? Maybe you haven't thought through what an 'app store' really is? Whatever the case, don't bother interacting with me you are so far behind I know nothing you have to say will be of any value on the topics of 'trust', 'corporation' or 'privacy.'

Engineering-MD 7y ago
I’m not the person you responded to, but I found your comment needlessly imflammatory. In regards to privacy, they aren’t brilliant, but they are probably the best of a bad bunch for most users. Chrome is very anti privacy, as is edge. Android is anti privacy. By elimating 90% of the market in this way, it’s fair to say the only remaining big players in either field are better for privacy than the standard.
- jmichaelhudson 7y ago
  You can't point to criminals in order to prove yourself good by comparison. You can't dismiss the mountain of mozilla's untrustworthy sketch bs without offering alternative suggestions unless your intention is simply advertising to use mozilla because it's the least worst. fanboys set the bar soooo low nowadays. I find your comment needlessly dismissive of the relevant facts, perspective and any meaningful contribution to the discussion. You haven't even begun to see the beginnings of inflammatory so please adjust your sensitivity meter, this is the internet.