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Considering that around 20% of the world's immigrants live in the US, saying that US immigration is "designed to keep immigrants out" is grossly misleading.

by dtwest 7y ago

akhilcacharya 7y ago
In the mind of Stephen Miller that 20% is the bug not the feature. The public supports maintaining or increasing immigration to this country. This administration does not.
- _red 7y ago
  Define "immigration". One of the problems that smart, educated, intern-level immigrants have is they are getting caught in the crossfire of millions of uneducated day-laborers streaming over the border. We should have increased immigration on a merit-based system (obviously college students would be a strong merit).
  - cat199 7y ago
    > One of the problems that smart, educated, intern-level immigrants have is they are getting caught in the crossfire of millions of uneducated day-laborers streaming over the border. Unless you take the position that immigration policies should be based on primacy of residence, in which case, bringing in specialists over non-specialists while at the same time not promoting specialization for natives is detrimental to the current residents. If we spent as much money on visas training the amorphous 'backwards middle america', we probably wouldn't need so many specialists.. and this 'need' is itself debatable.. i prefer working class immigrants. perhaps it is because as middle class i don't see them as a threat, but they seem much more humble than Dr. So And So who demands XYZPQ because he is a Global Elite YakketySchmakety.
    - klipt 7y ago
      Surely from an economic perspective, the "best" immigrants are the kind who earn a lot, paying a lot of taxes into your state/country, while not using a lot of taxpayer dollars in terms of social services, not having a lot of children who go to public schools, etc?
- mistermann 7y ago
  > The public supports maintaining or increasing immigration to this country. This administration does not. https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/580037717/what-the-latest-immigration-polls-do-and-dont-say https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/580037717/what-the-latest-imm... Americans could be forgiven for having poll whiplash this week. "Shock poll: Americans want massive cuts to legal immigration," said a headline from the Washington Times. "Americans broadly embrace the Democratic immigration position," declared a Washington Post headline, with the release of a new ABC/Washington Post poll. On immigration, as on any other issue, it can seem that there's a poll result that supports just about any position. Here's a look at immigration polls to explain what findings are shaky — and to highlight what can reasonably be concluded about Americans' views on immigration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics https://fs.blog/2015/11/map-and-territory/ https://fs.blog/2015/11/map-and-territory/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation https://www.academia.edu/16741004/Modelling_Myth_Vs_Reality_Map_Vs_Territory https://www.academia.edu/16741004/Modelling_Myth_Vs_Reality_...
- ovi256 7y ago
  Immigration is one of the most divisive and polarised issues in US public policy, and one that brought to power the current POTUS. Saying the public unilateraly supports one side or another is naive at best, intentionally misleading at worst.
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    Since 45's election, the public has become more supportive of increased immigration. https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-sa... Anti-immigration sentiment peaked in 2014.
317070 7y ago
Do you have a source for that number? I'd like to read into that.
- outlace 7y ago
  The number may be wrong the sentiment seems reasonable. I would hardly call the U.S. hostile toward immigrants. I can’t think of many other countries that are as diverse as the U.S. Just in my apartment building I live next to a Russian couple, a Chinese couple, a Korean couple, and a Guatemalan couple.
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- dtwest 7y ago
  19.8% of the world's foreign born population lives in the US. 14.3% of people in the US are foreign born. According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...
winter_blue 7y ago
I'd just recommend reading this essay by William Han, who despite having two Ivy league degree, and spending 15 years lawfully in the U.S., was still forced to leave: https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8823349/immigration-system-broken https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8823349/immigration-system-bro... There was a discussion here on HN on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9764564 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9764564
dmode 7y ago
This was before the current administration. The reality is very different now

Considering that around 20% of the world's immigrants live in the US, saying that US immigration is "designed to keep immigrants out" is grossly misleading.

by dtwest 7y ago

Considering that around 20% of the world's immigrants live in the US, saying that US immigration is "designed to keep immigrants out" is grossly misleading.

akhilcacharya 7y ago

In the mind of Stephen Miller that 20% is the bug not the feature. The public supports maintaining or increasing immigration to this country. This administration does not.

_red 7y ago
Define "immigration". One of the problems that smart, educated, intern-level immigrants have is they are getting caught in the crossfire of millions of uneducated day-laborers streaming over the border. We should have increased immigration on a merit-based system (obviously college students would be a strong merit).
- cat199 7y ago
  > One of the problems that smart, educated, intern-level immigrants have is they are getting caught in the crossfire of millions of uneducated day-laborers streaming over the border. Unless you take the position that immigration policies should be based on primacy of residence, in which case, bringing in specialists over non-specialists while at the same time not promoting specialization for natives is detrimental to the current residents. If we spent as much money on visas training the amorphous 'backwards middle america', we probably wouldn't need so many specialists.. and this 'need' is itself debatable.. i prefer working class immigrants. perhaps it is because as middle class i don't see them as a threat, but they seem much more humble than Dr. So And So who demands XYZPQ because he is a Global Elite YakketySchmakety.
  - klipt 7y ago
    Surely from an economic perspective, the "best" immigrants are the kind who earn a lot, paying a lot of taxes into your state/country, while not using a lot of taxpayer dollars in terms of social services, not having a lot of children who go to public schools, etc?
mistermann 7y ago
> The public supports maintaining or increasing immigration to this country. This administration does not. https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/580037717/what-the-latest-immigration-polls-do-and-dont-say https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/580037717/what-the-latest-imm... Americans could be forgiven for having poll whiplash this week. "Shock poll: Americans want massive cuts to legal immigration," said a headline from the Washington Times. "Americans broadly embrace the Democratic immigration position," declared a Washington Post headline, with the release of a new ABC/Washington Post poll. On immigration, as on any other issue, it can seem that there's a poll result that supports just about any position. Here's a look at immigration polls to explain what findings are shaky — and to highlight what can reasonably be concluded about Americans' views on immigration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics https://fs.blog/2015/11/map-and-territory/ https://fs.blog/2015/11/map-and-territory/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation https://www.academia.edu/16741004/Modelling_Myth_Vs_Reality_Map_Vs_Territory https://www.academia.edu/16741004/Modelling_Myth_Vs_Reality_...
ovi256 7y ago
Immigration is one of the most divisive and polarised issues in US public policy, and one that brought to power the current POTUS. Saying the public unilateraly supports one side or another is naive at best, intentionally misleading at worst.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  Since 45's election, the public has become more supportive of increased immigration. https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-sa... Anti-immigration sentiment peaked in 2014.

317070 7y ago

Do you have a source for that number? I'd like to read into that.

outlace 7y ago
The number may be wrong the sentiment seems reasonable. I would hardly call the U.S. hostile toward immigrants. I can’t think of many other countries that are as diverse as the U.S. Just in my apartment building I live next to a Russian couple, a Chinese couple, a Korean couple, and a Guatemalan couple.
- deleted 7y ago
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dtwest 7y ago
19.8% of the world's foreign born population lives in the US. 14.3% of people in the US are foreign born. According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

winter_blue 7y ago

I'd just recommend reading this essay by William Han, who despite having two Ivy league degree, and spending 15 years lawfully in the U.S., was still forced to leave: https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8823349/immigration-system-broken https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8823349/immigration-system-bro... There was a discussion here on HN on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9764564 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9764564

dmode 7y ago

This was before the current administration. The reality is very different now