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Apple copyright claimed and removed the crowd reaction to $1k monitor stand

25 points by rahuldottech 7y ago

gigatexal 7y ago
Oh Apple. Just include the stand in the price. Seriously.
- ggg2 7y ago
  why? their machines are now fashion products/statement for (rich) people that socialize via socal media videos. (most people here will disagree while not being that demographic. they will also not have a reason to buy a $50k youtube poser machine) your argument is like saying a shoes manufaturer should just include the purse. it should instead offer more expensive stand options! because people will buy those. I mean, the people that is already buying 6k dispays (I.e. spending that much money and not even being technical enough to buy products based on actual resolution, but marketing "Nk" where N>4)
  - handruin 7y ago
    Nope...the argument is more like the shoe manufacture should just include the shoelaces. Shoelaces support the functional operation of the shoe...a purse does not support the operation of shoes. Most people would expect their shoes to come with shoelaces, not a purse.
    - gigatexal 7y ago
      Yes, exactly. This isn’t an example of complimentary goods like peanut butter is to jelly or bread. This is constituent parts or rather posed as a question: “What is a monitor without a stand?”
- karmakaze 7y ago
  They're going to come up with a (more expensive) option to give the consumer choice. We're now entering Lamborghini hypercar bragging rights territory.
TehCorwiz 7y ago
Mirror of video: https://streamable.com/59xli https://streamable.com/59xli
Mikeb85 7y ago
For a sec I thought someone had photoshopped in a picture of a cheese grater...
Isamu 7y ago
The crowd reaction is in the original video hosted at Apple. Not like it's suppressed as part of some conspiracy. They announce the price and the crowd laughs a bit (like whaaaat?) It's clearly very expensive, but it's a bunch of complicated engineering in that stand, and I am betting that the cost crept up on them. The executives probably weren't keeping an eye on this from a cost perspective. And undoubtedly they chose a manufacturing process for low volume, higher cost, but didn't realize how much higher until late in the game. Seems clear to me that the Apple presenter (I forget his name) tried to quickly breeze past the cost of the stand to avoid an uncomfortable crowd reaction, not quite successfully. It is obvious that they priced the stand separately so you can just buy whatever stand you want, if you don't want the fancy one. [edit] Everything about the new Pro is over-the-top. It is a bit crazy to see. Seems to be signalling a new direction or something. Or they are testing the waters. Clearly they have the capability of creating an absolutely insane device, they just have to internally justify it in terms of the engineering investment.
- Doxin 7y ago
  > you can just buy whatever stand you want Except they didn't go with any mounting standard at all so you can only really buy whatever stand you want if you first invest in the (rather expensive) VESA bracket.
tomatotomato37 7y ago
For comparison, here is what a premium forged aluminum object at a similar price point looks like in a different industry: https://www.bbs-usa.com/road_wheels/wheel_details.cfm?wheel=7 https://www.bbs-usa.com/road_wheels/wheel_details.cfm?wheel=... I thinks it's safe to say apple isn't giving us a good value for our dollar here
- Isamu 7y ago
  >premium forged aluminum object Ok, this must be where the confusion is. It's not a fixed stand, nor one with a simple hinge. They showed just a glimpse of a cutaway of the mechanics and gears hidden in support arm. It's not a lump of aluminum, it's hiding some interesting mechanics. It's clearly over-engineered, I'm not saying it isn't. In typical Apple fashion they decided to go over-the-top in getting a support arm that "feels weightless, moves effortlessly where you want it, and stays exactly where you leave it." That is not trivial while supporting a machined aluminum monitor housing AND is relatively small.

25 points by rahuldottech 7y ago

gigatexal 7y ago

Oh Apple. Just include the stand in the price. Seriously.

ggg2 7y ago
why? their machines are now fashion products/statement for (rich) people that socialize via socal media videos. (most people here will disagree while not being that demographic. they will also not have a reason to buy a $50k youtube poser machine) your argument is like saying a shoes manufaturer should just include the purse. it should instead offer more expensive stand options! because people will buy those. I mean, the people that is already buying 6k dispays (I.e. spending that much money and not even being technical enough to buy products based on actual resolution, but marketing "Nk" where N>4)
- handruin 7y ago
  Nope...the argument is more like the shoe manufacture should just include the shoelaces. Shoelaces support the functional operation of the shoe...a purse does not support the operation of shoes. Most people would expect their shoes to come with shoelaces, not a purse.
  - gigatexal 7y ago
    Yes, exactly. This isn’t an example of complimentary goods like peanut butter is to jelly or bread. This is constituent parts or rather posed as a question: “What is a monitor without a stand?”
karmakaze 7y ago
They're going to come up with a (more expensive) option to give the consumer choice. We're now entering Lamborghini hypercar bragging rights territory.

TehCorwiz 7y ago

Mirror of video: https://streamable.com/59xli https://streamable.com/59xli

Mikeb85 7y ago

For a sec I thought someone had photoshopped in a picture of a cheese grater...

Isamu 7y ago

The crowd reaction is in the original video hosted at Apple. Not like it's suppressed as part of some conspiracy. They announce the price and the crowd laughs a bit (like whaaaat?) It's clearly very expensive, but it's a bunch of complicated engineering in that stand, and I am betting that the cost crept up on them. The executives probably weren't keeping an eye on this from a cost perspective. And undoubtedly they chose a manufacturing process for low volume, higher cost, but didn't realize how much higher until late in the game. Seems clear to me that the Apple presenter (I forget his name) tried to quickly breeze past the cost of the stand to avoid an uncomfortable crowd reaction, not quite successfully. It is obvious that they priced the stand separately so you can just buy whatever stand you want, if you don't want the fancy one. [edit] Everything about the new Pro is over-the-top. It is a bit crazy to see. Seems to be signalling a new direction or something. Or they are testing the waters. Clearly they have the capability of creating an absolutely insane device, they just have to internally justify it in terms of the engineering investment.

Doxin 7y ago
> you can just buy whatever stand you want Except they didn't go with any mounting standard at all so you can only really buy whatever stand you want if you first invest in the (rather expensive) VESA bracket.

tomatotomato37 7y ago

For comparison, here is what a premium forged aluminum object at a similar price point looks like in a different industry: https://www.bbs-usa.com/road_wheels/wheel_details.cfm?wheel=7 https://www.bbs-usa.com/road_wheels/wheel_details.cfm?wheel=... I thinks it's safe to say apple isn't giving us a good value for our dollar here

Isamu 7y ago
>premium forged aluminum object Ok, this must be where the confusion is. It's not a fixed stand, nor one with a simple hinge. They showed just a glimpse of a cutaway of the mechanics and gears hidden in support arm. It's not a lump of aluminum, it's hiding some interesting mechanics. It's clearly over-engineered, I'm not saying it isn't. In typical Apple fashion they decided to go over-the-top in getting a support arm that "feels weightless, moves effortlessly where you want it, and stays exactly where you leave it." That is not trivial while supporting a machined aluminum monitor housing AND is relatively small.