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That particular phrasing comes across a mite hypocritical - if you admit that having a well-kept garden makes one a good neighbor, then you are admitting that y

by dTal 7y ago

That particular phrasing comes across a mite hypocritical - if you admit that having a well-kept garden makes one a good neighbor, then you are admitting that your unkempt garden makes you a bad neighbor.

enriquto 7y ago
> if you admit that having a well-kept garden makes one a good neighbor, then you are admitting that your unkempt garden makes you a bad neighbor. No, you aren't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
- dTal 7y ago
  This isn't formal logic - it's basic reciprocal socialization. Humans believe in holding everyone to similar standards as a basic principle ("fairness"). You are simultaneously reaffirming your neighbor's standards for themselves, and rejecting them for yourself. This will be seen as hypocritical, and in the real world, if you try to defend this behavior by citing the Wikipedia article on "Affirming the consequent", you will rapidly find yourself on your neighbor's mental "pedantic asshole" list.
  - rootlocus 7y ago
    TL;DR Yeah, but I don't care. > You are simultaneously reaffirming your neighbor's standards for themselves, and rejecting them for yourself. Yes, because we are complex, subjective, multidimensional humans, and we can judge each other based on different referential systems. If I don't care about your subjective perspective, I don't have to prove myself in your eyes. And if I don't care what your referential system is then I'm only a hypocrite in your eyes. - You have a clean yard, you must be a good person. I have a messy yard, but I like it / I don't care. I can still be a good person for other reasons, but I don't care to be that person in your eyes. I do care that you're pestering me with comments, so please stop.
rootlocus 7y ago
1. That's not how the implication operator works 2. You don't necessary have to agree with the premise, but you're proposing it because you think the other person agrees with it.
- Retra 7y ago
  Of course, there's a good chance the person you're talking to will not see it that way, instead making the same mistake dTal did.
  - dTal 7y ago
    I wouldn't call it a mistake. It definitely comes across as hypocritical, whether or not it "technically" is. You're essentially saying "I recognize this trait as valuable, however I reject your right to judge me on it".

by dTal 7y ago

enriquto 7y ago

> if you admit that having a well-kept garden makes one a good neighbor, then you are admitting that your unkempt garden makes you a bad neighbor. No, you aren't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

dTal 7y ago
This isn't formal logic - it's basic reciprocal socialization. Humans believe in holding everyone to similar standards as a basic principle ("fairness"). You are simultaneously reaffirming your neighbor's standards for themselves, and rejecting them for yourself. This will be seen as hypocritical, and in the real world, if you try to defend this behavior by citing the Wikipedia article on "Affirming the consequent", you will rapidly find yourself on your neighbor's mental "pedantic asshole" list.
- rootlocus 7y ago
  TL;DR Yeah, but I don't care. > You are simultaneously reaffirming your neighbor's standards for themselves, and rejecting them for yourself. Yes, because we are complex, subjective, multidimensional humans, and we can judge each other based on different referential systems. If I don't care about your subjective perspective, I don't have to prove myself in your eyes. And if I don't care what your referential system is then I'm only a hypocrite in your eyes. - You have a clean yard, you must be a good person. I have a messy yard, but I like it / I don't care. I can still be a good person for other reasons, but I don't care to be that person in your eyes. I do care that you're pestering me with comments, so please stop.

rootlocus 7y ago

1. That's not how the implication operator works 2. You don't necessary have to agree with the premise, but you're proposing it because you think the other person agrees with it.

Retra 7y ago
Of course, there's a good chance the person you're talking to will not see it that way, instead making the same mistake dTal did.
- dTal 7y ago
  I wouldn't call it a mistake. It definitely comes across as hypocritical, whether or not it "technically" is. You're essentially saying "I recognize this trait as valuable, however I reject your right to judge me on it".