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The thing that annoys me about all of these attempts is failing to recognize the impact of irregular forms of the verbs. So - for French - all the different for

The thing that annoys me about all of these attempts is failing to recognize the impact of irregular forms of the verbs. So - for French - all the different forms of the verb aller (go) are treated individually. I paid for ReadLang for a while, but this lack of a feature has proven too frustrating. I don't speak French so I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. Do you mind giving a bit more detail? I'm also curious about the other ideas you mentioned.

rakoo 7y ago
French here, I never realized it but there are at least 3 different forms depending on who does it and when: Present: Je vais, tu vas, il va, nous allons, vous allez, ils vont Future: j'irai, tu iras, il ira, nous irons, vous irez, ils iront Same goes for être (to be): Present: Je suis, tu es, il est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont Future: Je serai, tu sera, il sera, nous serons, vous serez, ils seront Simple past: Je fus, tu fus, il fut, nous fûmes, vous fûtes, ils furent (No one uses simple past, but here it is) Subordinate (?): Que je sois, que tu sois, qu'il soit, que nous soyons, que vous soyez, qu'ils soient I guess it's the same in pretty much every language, especially for those 2 common verbs, there are irregular forms everywhere.
- arafalov 7y ago
  And the challenge with the current learning software is that they treat each one of these forms as a separate flashcard. So, you are learning surface/contextualized forms of the verb rather than understanding how to use the verb itself in various contexts.
- amaccuish 7y ago
  The subordinate is actually the present subjunctive. There's also a past subjunctive (que je fusse, tu fusses, il fût, nous fussions, vous fussiez, ils fussent) and other forms with auxliaries, if I remember my grammar properly, the formsare derived from the simple past, or the other way around, can't remember. The reason it's not subordinate is because I think there are some very rare cases where it can be used without a que, but I can't think over one off the top of my head.

rakoo 7y ago

French here, I never realized it but there are at least 3 different forms depending on who does it and when: Present: Je vais, tu vas, il va, nous allons, vous allez, ils vont Future: j'irai, tu iras, il ira, nous irons, vous irez, ils iront Same goes for être (to be): Present: Je suis, tu es, il est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont Future: Je serai, tu sera, il sera, nous serons, vous serez, ils seront Simple past: Je fus, tu fus, il fut, nous fûmes, vous fûtes, ils furent (No one uses simple past, but here it is) Subordinate (?): Que je sois, que tu sois, qu'il soit, que nous soyons, que vous soyez, qu'ils soient I guess it's the same in pretty much every language, especially for those 2 common verbs, there are irregular forms everywhere.

arafalov 7y ago
And the challenge with the current learning software is that they treat each one of these forms as a separate flashcard. So, you are learning surface/contextualized forms of the verb rather than understanding how to use the verb itself in various contexts.
amaccuish 7y ago
The subordinate is actually the present subjunctive. There's also a past subjunctive (que je fusse, tu fusses, il fût, nous fussions, vous fussiez, ils fussent) and other forms with auxliaries, if I remember my grammar properly, the formsare derived from the simple past, or the other way around, can't remember. The reason it's not subordinate is because I think there are some very rare cases where it can be used without a que, but I can't think over one off the top of my head.