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And now I have to feel guilty about this too. What a life :/

gridlockd 7y ago
You don't have to. People always worry about destroying nature, they don't worry so much about nature destroying them. Let's say you were stranded in the arctic and met one of those poor polar bears. He'd rip you to pieces just for the heck of it. He's a goddamn killer with no remorse. He's not going to feel guilty. So fuck that polar bear and the ice sheet he lives on. We don't owe him a damn thing. We're going to grill this planet and then terraform it right back again, maybe. Or maybe we'll all die in the process. But we shouldn't feel guilty about it. Nature put us at the top of the food chain, it's going to have to deal with the consequences.
- AQuantized 7y ago
  This seems like an odd perspective. We aren't polar bears and I don't know why their intellectual incapacity to empathize with their prey should have any bearing on how we feel about destroying them or their environment.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    Let's say it was an even more unpleasant animal. Imagine one of these brain-eating parasitic worms. How much quality of life would you personally be willing to give up on, to save those worms and their environment?
redthrow 7y ago
If it makes you feel better, Elon Musk flies around in his private jet while tweeting "why not go renewable now?" rather than taking a more nuanced stance.
- DesiLurker 7y ago
  these type of arguments are really immature and dishonest. So what if a billionaire or a world leader is flying around in Jet. How is that an argument for us to destroy our habitat for future generations. statistically speaking how much of global warming is cause by private jets vs the rest of it? if the 'influencers' are not gonna talk about it then who else is? and will it matter? if you take a step back & see you'll notice these type of arguments are designed to evoke an emotional response in a casual observer so they dont feel the need/desire to further engage in the (admittedly) marginally interesting topic.
  - redthrow 7y ago
    Sorry, what "argument" did I make? It's more of an observation about how even people who are vocally pushing for renewables/sustainable energy aren't personally following what they preach (while seemingly not feeling guilty about it). Is this observation wrong?
chungleong 7y ago
Have you considered an insanity defense? Just tell yourself the thought of traveling to an exotic location temporarily reduces your mental capability to that of a six year old. If you cannot comprehend the consequence of your action then you're not guilty. Actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.

You don't have to. People always worry about destroying nature, they don't worry so much about nature destroying them. Let's say you were stranded in the arctic and met one of those poor polar bears. He'd rip you to pieces just for the heck of it. He's a goddamn killer with no remorse. He's not going to feel guilty. So fuck that polar bear and the ice sheet he lives on. We don't owe him a damn thing. We're going to grill this planet and then terraform it right back again, maybe. Or maybe we'll all die in the process. But we shouldn't feel guilty about it. Nature put us at the top of the food chain, it's going to have to deal with the consequences.

AQuantized 7y ago
This seems like an odd perspective. We aren't polar bears and I don't know why their intellectual incapacity to empathize with their prey should have any bearing on how we feel about destroying them or their environment.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  Let's say it was an even more unpleasant animal. Imagine one of these brain-eating parasitic worms. How much quality of life would you personally be willing to give up on, to save those worms and their environment?

redthrow 7y ago

If it makes you feel better, Elon Musk flies around in his private jet while tweeting "why not go renewable now?" rather than taking a more nuanced stance.

DesiLurker 7y ago
these type of arguments are really immature and dishonest. So what if a billionaire or a world leader is flying around in Jet. How is that an argument for us to destroy our habitat for future generations. statistically speaking how much of global warming is cause by private jets vs the rest of it? if the 'influencers' are not gonna talk about it then who else is? and will it matter? if you take a step back & see you'll notice these type of arguments are designed to evoke an emotional response in a casual observer so they dont feel the need/desire to further engage in the (admittedly) marginally interesting topic.
- redthrow 7y ago
  Sorry, what "argument" did I make? It's more of an observation about how even people who are vocally pushing for renewables/sustainable energy aren't personally following what they preach (while seemingly not feeling guilty about it). Is this observation wrong?

chungleong 7y ago

Have you considered an insanity defense? Just tell yourself the thought of traveling to an exotic location temporarily reduces your mental capability to that of a six year old. If you cannot comprehend the consequence of your action then you're not guilty. Actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.