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I used to be one using and praising ProtonMail, but after the Tesonet scandal turned me around. The worst evidence for me was their responses, how they were con

I used to be one using and praising ProtonMail, but after the Tesonet scandal turned me around. The worst evidence for me was their responses, how they were constantly calling it a "smear campaign by PIA", often not providing any plausible explanations. Duh, PIA published it and put work into raising public awareness. They are competitors, they found your dirty laundry and published it, duuuuh. Whoever discovered it, doesn't matter, they couldn't respond to the actual facts, only repeating the annoying combination of words "smear campaign". I don't trust a single VPN provider and would rather trust my exit point to my ISP which is regulated by local laws, rather then trusting it to god know whom god knows where. I would be happy to see the issues of Tesonet and their links to NordVPN and ProtonMail/VPN raised again!

temptemptemp111 7y ago
I'm skeptical of NordVPN too - but can you say a little about why you signed up just to make these comments? ProtonMail is suspect as well. I would like to see independent analysis of their mobile and desktop clients - at least we can verify that they aren't doing anything besides data-mining/not deleting logs. The problem with running your own VPN is that paying for a VPS is not typically more private than paying for a VPN. And the functionality that NordVPN et al provides would take a lot of effort to reproduce manually. You'd have to have a VPS with lots of locations and launch your VPN OS image in the location you want - which would take extra time & effort each time.
protonmail 7y ago
Not sure if you saw it, but Proton published a response here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn_and_tesonet/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn... The fact that hundreds of Twitter bots were used to spread the allegations is rather strong evidence that there was indeed a smear campaign. Details about this here: https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/ https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/

temptemptemp111 7y ago

I'm skeptical of NordVPN too - but can you say a little about why you signed up just to make these comments? ProtonMail is suspect as well. I would like to see independent analysis of their mobile and desktop clients - at least we can verify that they aren't doing anything besides data-mining/not deleting logs. The problem with running your own VPN is that paying for a VPS is not typically more private than paying for a VPN. And the functionality that NordVPN et al provides would take a lot of effort to reproduce manually. You'd have to have a VPS with lots of locations and launch your VPN OS image in the location you want - which would take extra time & effort each time.

protonmail 7y ago

Not sure if you saw it, but Proton published a response here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn_and_tesonet/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn... The fact that hundreds of Twitter bots were used to spread the allegations is rather strong evidence that there was indeed a smear campaign. Details about this here: https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/ https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/