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I agree. They are sitting on more and more data they will be very tempted to use if they can’t hit their growth rates in the future. It would be better if no si

I agree. They are sitting on more and more data they will be very tempted to use if they can’t hit their growth rates in the future. It would be better if no single entity had that much data.

ballenf 7y ago
Isn't Apple one of the few companies going out of their way to keep as much data as possible on-device instead of in the cloud? I agree that shareholders value margins over principles and that could be an issue for companies who do hold a lot of user data.
- maxxxxx 7y ago
  With the push to more and more iCloud I would assume they have a lot of data but I am not sure.
  - xenospn 7y ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but a core part of their messaging has been that they don't actually know what users are storing inside their cloud, has it not?
    - skewart 7y ago
      Maybe, but they can change that at any time. If they wanted to have visibility into iCloud data going forward they easily could. With Apple products, you're putting your privacy entirely in Apple's hands and assuming that their executives will continue to follow the same branding and product strategy that they've been pursuing for the past few years. That said, Apple is probably the least bad option for phone + cloud for most people. But it's sad that that's the case.
  - babypuncher 7y ago
    Didn't Apple prove to the FBI in court that they literally cannot access a users iCloud data without their password? Obviously that still isn't as trustworthy as open source tools you can verify yourself, but it's a far cry better than any privacy guarantee you're getting from Google.
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      > Didn't Apple prove to the FBI in court that they literally cannot access a users iCloud data without their password? No. Apple regularly hands over iCloud data to government investigator. In China, Apple handed over its keys, so the Chinese government does not even need to involve Apple to get iCloud data.

I agree. They are sitting on more and more data they will be very tempted to use if they can’t hit their growth rates in the future. It would be better if no single entity had that much data.

ballenf 7y ago

Isn't Apple one of the few companies going out of their way to keep as much data as possible on-device instead of in the cloud? I agree that shareholders value margins over principles and that could be an issue for companies who do hold a lot of user data.

maxxxxx 7y ago
With the push to more and more iCloud I would assume they have a lot of data but I am not sure.
- xenospn 7y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but a core part of their messaging has been that they don't actually know what users are storing inside their cloud, has it not?
  - skewart 7y ago
    Maybe, but they can change that at any time. If they wanted to have visibility into iCloud data going forward they easily could. With Apple products, you're putting your privacy entirely in Apple's hands and assuming that their executives will continue to follow the same branding and product strategy that they've been pursuing for the past few years. That said, Apple is probably the least bad option for phone + cloud for most people. But it's sad that that's the case.
- babypuncher 7y ago
  Didn't Apple prove to the FBI in court that they literally cannot access a users iCloud data without their password? Obviously that still isn't as trustworthy as open source tools you can verify yourself, but it's a far cry better than any privacy guarantee you're getting from Google.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    > Didn't Apple prove to the FBI in court that they literally cannot access a users iCloud data without their password? No. Apple regularly hands over iCloud data to government investigator. In China, Apple handed over its keys, so the Chinese government does not even need to involve Apple to get iCloud data.