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This is going to sound like a shill but I have to recommend the new Gum Detoxify toothpaste from Crest and thought I'd share it with other Hacker News readers.

This is going to sound like a shill but I have to recommend the new Gum Detoxify toothpaste from Crest and thought I'd share it with other Hacker News readers. It has stannous fluoride and that is supposed to work better and actually kill bacteria around your gums. The reviews for it seemed crazy positive so I thought I would try it and it has been a product that actually does what it says. I have to say, I wake up without morning breath pretty much now, which is insane. And I have been feeling better... Here is a paper comparing stannous fluoride with the traditional type. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30797255 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30797255 "Antimicrobial effects of a stannous fluoride toothpaste in distinct oral microenvironments."

minikites 7y ago
Stannous fluoride isn't new, it was the original fluoride compound in toothpaste until sodium fluoride got more popular.
fooey 7y ago
I was using a brand called Paradontax, which is a stannous fluoride, but it was causing noticeable yellowing which is a common downside to using stannous fluoride. I switched over to the Crest Detoxify Kit instead, and it seems to work just as well, but the whitener it includes not only prevents yellowing, it's clearing away the yellowing I already had, so I'm super happy with it. I've always been bad with my teeth, but in the last few months month I got serious after being chastised by my hygienist, so I bought a Waterpik, those toothpastes, and a mouthwash for dry mouth, and my mouth has never felt better and cleaner.
smileysteve 7y ago
related concept Probiotics for your mouth https://probiorahealth.com/?msclkid=3bfa04734b5c1067a58a5885da74e6be https://probiorahealth.com/?msclkid=3bfa04734b5c1067a58a5885...
- athenot 7y ago
  I would like to see more research in this area. It seems that the main school of thought is to focus removing as much bacteria from the mouth as possible, but I'm interested in the possibility of outcompeting the undesireable bacteria with probiotics.
  - AstralStorm 7y ago
    By probiotics you mean introducing carefully selected bacterial strains into the mouth? See, the problem with that is that P. gingivitis is extremely competitive and prolific. This is why it's so common, and why it is so hard to outcompete.
analpaint 7y ago
Stannous flouride (ie tin) in toothpaste is nothing new. Nice that Crest has figured out some shiny new marketing, but ironically the original bog standard original Crest in 1954 was tin fluoride until they moved over to monoflurophosphate for cost reasons.
- JohnJamesRambo 7y ago
  The original stannous fluoride formulas stained your teeth, it's not just marketing.
atombender 7y ago
There's also nano-hydroxyapatite (n-Ha), a bioactive form of calcium apatite that has been found to stick to dentine and help remineralize your teeth [1] [2]. It's popular in Japan, where it's even added to things like sports drinks. It's not easy to get in the West yet. The only toothpaste I know with n-Ha is Boka [3], and there's a more expensive Japanese one on Amazon called Apagard Premio [4]. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ [2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300571211000832 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030057121... [3] https://www.boka.com/products/ela-mint-toothpaste https://www.boka.com/products/ela-mint-toothpaste [4] https://www.amazon.com/Apagard-Premio-toothpaste-nanohydroxyapatite-remineralizing/dp/B0016GCZSC https://www.amazon.com/Apagard-Premio-toothpaste-nanohydroxy...
- cr0sh 7y ago
  > It's not easy to get in the West yet. IIRC - it used to be "easy" - then it was pulled from the market: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1372067 https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1372067 Conspiracy theories abound of course...
- resoluteteeth 7y ago
  You can get Dr. Collins BioMin Toothpaste in the US now and it's basically the same thing.
- stefantalpalaru 7y ago
  > It's not easy to get in the West yet. We've had it in Italy for more than a decade: https://www.nature.com/articles/bdj.2007.933 https://www.nature.com/articles/bdj.2007.933
- gamblor956 7y ago
  The Apagard Premio stuff works. After my dentist saw my results he started importing it to sell out of his own practice.

minikites 7y ago

Stannous fluoride isn't new, it was the original fluoride compound in toothpaste until sodium fluoride got more popular.

fooey 7y ago

I was using a brand called Paradontax, which is a stannous fluoride, but it was causing noticeable yellowing which is a common downside to using stannous fluoride. I switched over to the Crest Detoxify Kit instead, and it seems to work just as well, but the whitener it includes not only prevents yellowing, it's clearing away the yellowing I already had, so I'm super happy with it. I've always been bad with my teeth, but in the last few months month I got serious after being chastised by my hygienist, so I bought a Waterpik, those toothpastes, and a mouthwash for dry mouth, and my mouth has never felt better and cleaner.

smileysteve 7y ago

related concept Probiotics for your mouth https://probiorahealth.com/?msclkid=3bfa04734b5c1067a58a5885da74e6be https://probiorahealth.com/?msclkid=3bfa04734b5c1067a58a5885...

athenot 7y ago
I would like to see more research in this area. It seems that the main school of thought is to focus removing as much bacteria from the mouth as possible, but I'm interested in the possibility of outcompeting the undesireable bacteria with probiotics.
- AstralStorm 7y ago
  By probiotics you mean introducing carefully selected bacterial strains into the mouth? See, the problem with that is that P. gingivitis is extremely competitive and prolific. This is why it's so common, and why it is so hard to outcompete.

analpaint 7y ago

Stannous flouride (ie tin) in toothpaste is nothing new. Nice that Crest has figured out some shiny new marketing, but ironically the original bog standard original Crest in 1954 was tin fluoride until they moved over to monoflurophosphate for cost reasons.

JohnJamesRambo 7y ago
The original stannous fluoride formulas stained your teeth, it's not just marketing.

atombender 7y ago

There's also nano-hydroxyapatite (n-Ha), a bioactive form of calcium apatite that has been found to stick to dentine and help remineralize your teeth [1] [2]. It's popular in Japan, where it's even added to things like sports drinks. It's not easy to get in the West yet. The only toothpaste I know with n-Ha is Boka [3], and there's a more expensive Japanese one on Amazon called Apagard Premio [4]. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ [2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300571211000832 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030057121... [3] https://www.boka.com/products/ela-mint-toothpaste https://www.boka.com/products/ela-mint-toothpaste [4] https://www.amazon.com/Apagard-Premio-toothpaste-nanohydroxyapatite-remineralizing/dp/B0016GCZSC https://www.amazon.com/Apagard-Premio-toothpaste-nanohydroxy...

cr0sh 7y ago
> It's not easy to get in the West yet. IIRC - it used to be "easy" - then it was pulled from the market: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1372067 https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1372067 Conspiracy theories abound of course...
resoluteteeth 7y ago
You can get Dr. Collins BioMin Toothpaste in the US now and it's basically the same thing.
stefantalpalaru 7y ago
> It's not easy to get in the West yet. We've had it in Italy for more than a decade: https://www.nature.com/articles/bdj.2007.933 https://www.nature.com/articles/bdj.2007.933
gamblor956 7y ago
The Apagard Premio stuff works. After my dentist saw my results he started importing it to sell out of his own practice.